JLC: The Cerrato Era Has Begun

[GTripp0012]

Biggest issue: just because someone says they are a WCO disciple, doesn't mean you know one single thing about their offensive philosophy.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

As Schneed pointed out, this thread is about Vinny. If you want to discuss different coaching philosophies and/or the importance of coaching, please express your beliefs in a different thread.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well the assumption is that you have to gameplan, have to adjust, have to have common football sense.

So why is coaching overrated? Because every coach does these things. Fassel does them, Gibbs did them, Mooch does them, Norv does them.

When people say coaching matters, they are in effect talking about the long-term effects of having a coach that always knows more than the opponents coach. Unfortunately, with the easy access of coaching information today, any guy can learn how to coach on gameday. Seriously, it's not hard.

Now, the great coaches will be responsible for leadership techniques, and earning and keeping the respect of his players. If he can not do this, he will lose his job. This is what seperates Jeff Fisher from Cam Cameron. But that is not why the Titans made the playoffs this year and the Dolphins won one game. That was because Tennesssee had the most talented defense in the NFL, and the Dolphins had the least.

The short version: coaching matters. Unless you care nothing about the team than it's gameday performance. Because Coach A does not give a significant advantage to his team over Coach B.

You can't take Mooch out of SF, put him in Detroit and expect to see the team improve without any other major changes. That's pretty much been proven by trial and error over the past decade.

Seems way oversimplified to me. Of course, talent on the field makes a huge difference, but we only need to look back at the last half of the ole ball coach's season here to see how a stubborn coach's game plan works in the nfl if he refuses to adjust.

Are you in essence saying that game planning is overated, but motivation of players isn't? You stated early in this post that all coaches game plan. If You follow your logic, you are essentially saying that actually all coaches MUST have good game plans just to keep up w/the competition.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I still think you're minimizing the differences in teaching abilities and adaptability between coaches. Some coaches make better strategic adjustments than others do.

This is actually an interesting debate I've evaluated both sides over, and am very confident in my position, is whether or not one coach can make strategic adjustments better than another, and if he can, does it really change the outcome of the game.

We could debate back and forth, but I'm sure it will come up in a thread that isn't about Vinny Cerrato, and I'll bring up some interesting points then.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

As Schneed pointed out, this thread is about Vinny. If you want to discuss different coaching philosophies and/or the importance of coaching, please express your beliefs in a different thread.

You're right. Sorry about that.

I think the organzational structure is falling in line exactly as I expected it would and, as I've mentioned to you separately, I think VC is really putting his imprint on this franchise much more so than ever before.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Seems way oversimplified to me. Of course, talent on the field makes a huge difference, but we only need to look back at the last half of the ole ball coach's season here to see how a stubborn coach's game plan works in the nfl if he refuses to adjust.

Are you in essence saying that game planning is overated, but motivation of players isn't? You stated early in this post that all coaches game plan. If You follow your logic, you are essentially saying that actually all coaches MUST have good game plans just to keep up w/the competition.

I'm saying:

1) the effects of gameplan are overvalued to fit with the assumption that the winning coach had the more intelligent gameplan. That is to say that people always label winning coaches as great gameplanners when in many instances, this is not the case.

I'm saying it's really, really, really difficult to make a bad gameplan week after week. People with that aptitude tend not to pursue the field of coaching.

2) I'm saying that because NFL players range from the ages of 22-40, it's safe to say that motivation is predominantly internal in nature. Players that can self-motivate will be successful whereever they go, and there's not a lot a coach can do for a 26 year old man who can't motivate himself.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

As Schneed pointed out, this thread is about Vinny. If you want to discuss different coaching philosophies and/or the importance of coaching, please express your beliefs in a different thread.

Fair enough.

[SFREDSKIN]

He can be judged on inheriting a playoff caliber team a few players away from the SB and see what he does with it. I give him 2 years and that's being generous.

[MTK]

Accountability is a good thing.

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

based on things in the past....he's going to have to do pretty terrible to get fired...

[skinsguy]

I think it's a blessing in disguise to have Vinny being held accountable for how this team is going to perform for the next couple of seasons at least. It is in fact his team now. He's pretty much in control of player personell and the coaching staff. While I'm not sure if this coming season will be a true measure of what Vinny will do for this team, I believe we will definitely have a better understanding in the seasons to come. This can either be great for the Redskins or disasterious. Right now, the front office is something everybody loves to hate, so I doubt Vinny will be given much of the benefit of the doubt.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Right off the top of my head I can't think of any. But, and I realize it was college, but there must be a reason Campbell did best playing in a WCO. And I don't believe it's simply because he had Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. And if that is the case, well we have Portis and Betts

college WCO and NFL WCO are completely different. holes close soo much faster that it's really hard to correlate the two in terms of projected success.