zackmills

joecrisp · 11-10-2004, 02:26 PM

I totally agree with the decision to ban him. Like Matty says, the decision was not based on his lack of respect for Gibbs, it was based on the fact that he refused to show any respect towards anyone else on the forum or the opinions that they presented to him.

Personally, I had put him on my 'ignore list' a week or two ago, but I was really frustrated by the fact that I continued to have to read his blather anyway because so many folks were quoting his posts in their replies to him.

In the future, let's try to avoid letting guys like this get under our skin and take over the forum by simply ignoring them. Follow the best credo regarding trolls like ZackMills, and that is "if you ignore them they will go away."

SmootSmack · 11-10-2004, 03:33 PM

Let me cite my homeboy Daseal once again.

Daseal might come with a post that says "Spurrier was put in a bad position here because his assistant coaches were poor. He tried to get Kim Helton fired but wasn't allowed to. Had he been surrounded by better people he'd still be the head coach here and he wouldn't be settling for less than 20 points a game"

Zack, on the other hand says "Gibbie is too old, get that assclown out of here"

Now, while I don't entirely agreee with Daseal's statement, at least he backs it up with some substance. That's a difference of opinion anyone can respect

LongTimeSkinsFan · 11-10-2004, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

This forum without ZackMills is like a village without an idiot.....

And as we all well know it takes a village to raise an idiot...er... something like that:cheeky-sm

VTSkins897 · 11-10-2004, 05:04 PM

i'll admit that he went a little too far at times... but it sorta seems like he got booted just 'cos he said some stuff you guys didn't wanna hear... heck of a lotta whining from everyone... but it did seem like he was just frustrated what with liking two crappy teams... at any rate i didn't see a lot of what he said so i'm sure it was warranted... it had to bother yas since id argue this ain't a skins post.

LongTimeSkinsFan · 11-10-2004, 05:11 PM

Almost forgot... TY Matty. I'll add my 2c here as well. While I think Matty's decision to ban Zack was justifiable I think we all could practice ignoring people whose sole purpose on the boards is to create discord, anarchy, and chaos with contributing to discussions. Like some others, after I saw a day or two worth of posting from Zack, it was easy to determine that he wasn't posting to offer a valuable opinion, but rather just trying to stir a little controversy with him being at the center, so I put him on the ignore list after dropping a flame or two his way. I discovered this board about a week or so ago and so thankful that I've found it! I've been a skins fan since 1973 and really enjoy the discussion threads and everyone's opinions, even if I don't agree with them!

MTK · 11-10-2004, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by VTSkins897

i'll admit that he went a little too far at times... but it sorta seems like he got booted just 'cos he said some stuff you guys didn't wanna hear...

If that was the case I could boot a lot of people.

I've already outlined my reasons, none of them have anything to do with his opinion.

If you don't believe me no problem.

Just watch your back!

Daseal · 11-10-2004, 06:05 PM

Honestly, I speak from first hand experience that you won't get booted just because you argue against the majority. Most people are willing to listen because seeing an argument from another side makes you a complete person and strengthens your argument. Zackmills added absolutely NOTHING to this board. He never once wrote a post where I thought... Wow, he really thought that one out. I never knew that! or How insightfull.

He contributed nothing to the board, and I applaud Matty. I love this board, and I don't want it to turn into some of the other boards you'll see with useless blather on every page.

celts32 · 11-10-2004, 09:19 PM

Nice...

VTSkins897 · 11-10-2004, 11:39 PM

partially true... i mean i hadn't read much of what he posted, but from what i saw he was somewhat unfounded but by no means offense ("matty is a douche" for example) to anyone on the board. i'm not certain of that, nor will i go back and read, but everything i read was just his opinion. now it seemed to me that he was simply just frustrated from being a fan of two crappy teams. i found him moderately entertaining and i don't think you should ban someone just 'cos you don't agree with them unfounded as it is... gotta learn to ignore like someone said. thankfully the 'skins are not a 100% likeness to some of the people on this board (whining @&$$!3$)... else we'd really be screwed... but like i said b4 i'm sure if he deserved it and that was the general consensus... you guys know what you're doin.....

NY_Skinsfan · 11-11-2004, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by VTSkins897

...and i don't think you should ban someone just 'cos you don't agree with them unfounded as it is...

Dude, that's not why he was banned...

Here's Matty's reasons why....

"If his posts had a little more 'meat' to them and weren't so negative and disrespectful he would still be here. And I'm not talking about being disrespectful to Gibbs, when I say he was disrespectful I mean to the forum, and that's why he's gone. It had nothing to do with his opinions."

"I'm 110% for people having different opinions, as unpopular as they may be."

Oh and by the way, Matty, the part about being disrespectful to Gibbs...I was refering to ZackMills calling him Gibbie all the time...I didn't mean he should be banned solely for being direspectful to Gibbs I was just stating that he was.

Anyway, 40 posts into this thread...It's like he's still here

VTSkins897 · 11-11-2004, 01:19 AM

yeah true... well anyways go skins!!!

MTK · 11-11-2004, 09:18 AM

Well at least it seems like the majority of people agree, can't please everyone I guess.

ZackMills · 11-17-2004, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

To be honest, I have mixed feelings about ZackMills.

Most of his posts were not constructive criticisms and so I understand the decision to ban him. People like denim monger degrade the quality of the site by sounding like children.

However, I am afraid that banning someone who speaks out against Gibbs or certain decisions the Redskins' front office has made sets a dangerous precedent. Discouraging honest disagreements as to what Gibbs, or anybody else in the Redskins organization, is doing may also degrade the quality of the site by making it a forum for monologues, not dialogues.

I for one am nervous about my own views (which often cut against the grain). Do I have to be careful when evaluating a player or a player personnel decision?

Overall, I understand the decision but with the caveat that I hope that posters are RARELY banned.

I am angry that I was never notified of why this occurred. You as a mod should have some say, or is this just a dictatorship?

ZackMills · 11-17-2004, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by VTSkins897

partially true... i mean i hadn't read much of what he posted, but from what i saw he was somewhat unfounded but by no means offense ("matty is a douche" for example) to anyone on the board. i'm not certain of that, nor will i go back and read, but everything i read was just his opinion. now it seemed to me that he was simply just frustrated from being a fan of two crappy teams. i found him moderately entertaining and i don't think you should ban someone just 'cos you don't agree with them unfounded as it is... gotta learn to ignore like someone said. thankfully the 'skins are not a 100% likeness to some of the people on this board (whining @&$$!3$)... else we'd really be screwed... but like i said b4 i'm sure if he deserved it and that was the general consensus... you guys know what you're doin.....

I was never disrespectful to ANYONE on the board.

ZackMills · 11-17-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by joecrisp

I totally agree with the decision to ban him. Like Matty says, the decision was not based on his lack of respect for Gibbs, it was based on the fact that he refused to show any respect towards anyone else on the forum or the opinions that they presented to him.

Personally, I had put him on my 'ignore list' a week or two ago, but I was really frustrated by the fact that I continued to have to read his blather anyway because so many folks were quoting his posts in their replies to him.

In the future, let's try to avoid letting guys like this get under our skin and take over the forum by simply ignoring them. Follow the best credo regarding trolls like ZackMills, and that is "if you ignore them they will go away."

How can I show respect to members of the board when they don't respect me. I am sure that I was flamed more by members than I flamed members

11-10-2004, 03:33 PM	#32
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Let me cite my homeboy Daseal once again. Daseal might come with a post that says "Spurrier was put in a bad position here because his assistant coaches were poor. He tried to get Kim Helton fired but wasn't allowed to. Had he been surrounded by better people he'd still be the head coach here and he wouldn't be settling for less than 20 points a game" Zack, on the other hand says "Gibbie is too old, get that assclown out of here" Now, while I don't entirely agreee with Daseal's statement, at least he backs it up with some substance. That's a difference of opinion anyone can respect __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-10-2004, 02:26 PM	#31
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 49 Posts: 1,501	I totally agree with the decision to ban him. Like Matty says, the decision was not based on his lack of respect for Gibbs, it was based on the fact that he refused to show any respect towards anyone else on the forum or the opinions that they presented to him. Personally, I had put him on my 'ignore list' a week or two ago, but I was really frustrated by the fact that I continued to have to read his blather anyway because so many folks were quoting his posts in their replies to him. In the future, let's try to avoid letting guys like this get under our skin and take over the forum by simply ignoring them. Follow the best credo regarding trolls like ZackMills, and that is "if you ignore them they will go away."

11-10-2004, 05:04 PM	#34
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 890	i'll admit that he went a little too far at times... but it sorta seems like he got booted just 'cos he said some stuff you guys didn't wanna hear... heck of a lotta whining from everyone... but it did seem like he was just frustrated what with liking two crappy teams... at any rate i didn't see a lot of what he said so i'm sure it was warranted... it had to bother yas since id argue this ain't a skins post.

11-10-2004, 05:11 PM	#35
LongTimeSkinsFan Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: LaVale MD Age: 63 Posts: 515	Almost forgot... TY Matty. I'll add my 2c here as well. While I think Matty's decision to ban Zack was justifiable I think we all could practice ignoring people whose sole purpose on the boards is to create discord, anarchy, and chaos with contributing to discussions. Like some others, after I saw a day or two worth of posting from Zack, it was easy to determine that he wasn't posting to offer a valuable opinion, but rather just trying to stir a little controversy with him being at the center, so I put him on the ignore list after dropping a flame or two his way. I discovered this board about a week or so ago and so thankful that I've found it! I've been a skins fan since 1973 and really enjoy the discussion threads and everyone's opinions, even if I don't agree with them!

11-10-2004, 06:05 PM	#37
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Honestly, I speak from first hand experience that you won't get booted just because you argue against the majority. Most people are willing to listen because seeing an argument from another side makes you a complete person and strengthens your argument. Zackmills added absolutely NOTHING to this board. He never once wrote a post where I thought... Wow, he really thought that one out. I never knew that! or How insightfull. He contributed nothing to the board, and I applaud Matty. I love this board, and I don't want it to turn into some of the other boards you'll see with useless blather on every page.

11-10-2004, 09:19 PM	#38
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 54 Posts: 2,665	Nice...

11-10-2004, 11:39 PM	#39
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 890	partially true... i mean i hadn't read much of what he posted, but from what i saw he was somewhat unfounded but by no means offense ("matty is a douche" for example) to anyone on the board. i'm not certain of that, nor will i go back and read, but everything i read was just his opinion. now it seemed to me that he was simply just frustrated from being a fan of two crappy teams. i found him moderately entertaining and i don't think you should ban someone just 'cos you don't agree with them unfounded as it is... gotta learn to ignore like someone said. thankfully the 'skins are not a 100% likeness to some of the people on this board (whining @&$$!3$)... else we'd really be screwed... but like i said b4 i'm sure if he deserved it and that was the general consensus... you guys know what you're doin.....

11-11-2004, 01:19 AM	#41
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 42 Posts: 890	yeah true... well anyways go skins!!!

11-11-2004, 09:18 AM	#42
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Well at least it seems like the majority of people agree, can't please everyone I guess.

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