Playcalling Yesterday

skin4Life28 · 11-15-2004, 11:52 AM

I know that we got down early and had to pass. But at the start of the game we threw practically every down against one of the leagues worst rushing d's. I do not understand why we decided to pass pass pass when we have C. Portis in the backfield. In his only start against the Bengals he had 120 something yards and 2 TDs.

cpayne5 · 11-15-2004, 12:00 PM

It was discouraging to see them not use Portis (he ended up with 81 yards on 17 carries). I think we went into panic mode too soon, just like in the Giants game. I think the plan was to come out firing, get some completions, and give the offense a confidence boost against one of the worst Ds in the league. Obviously our offense was more anemic that the coaching staff thought and it didn't work out that way.

SmootSmack · 11-15-2004, 12:11 PM

I think they might bave been thinking that since everyone is expecting the run why not fool them with the pass. Also I believe they had a couple of rookies at safety right? I could be wrong there

firstdown · 11-15-2004, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by cpayne5

It was discouraging to see them not use Portis (he ended up with 81 yards on 17 carries). I think we went into panic mode too soon, just like in the Giants game. I think the plan was to come out firing, get some completions, and give the offense a confidence boost against one of the worst Ds in the league. Obviously our offense was more anemic that the coaching staff thought and it didn't work out that way.

I agree totally and we should have started the second half with a heavy dose of Portis. The play calling was very poor and I feel it cost us the game.

diehardskin2982 · 11-15-2004, 12:15 PM

I feel this was because gibbs was trying make something happen for brunnell, like to say give me something to keep you in. but it progressively got worst and there for made the change. next week will hopefully be a different story.

cpayne5 · 11-15-2004, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I feel this was because gibbs was trying make something happen for brunnell, like to say give me something to keep you in. but it progressively got worst and there for made the change. next week will hopefully be a different story.

He was absolutely terrible.

I (no kidding) could have completed more than 1 of those passes he attempted.

Gmanc711 · 11-15-2004, 12:33 PM

I'm pretty sure most of us could cpayne, in all seriousness. Or at least made them catchable.

Anyway, the playcalling was very dissapointing, but when were down 17, what are ya gonna do? Against Philly we need a healthy dose of Portis, and then take shots down the feild. But yeah, I was really shocked not to see Portis get at least 25 touches.

JWsleep · 11-15-2004, 01:11 PM

I think we gave up on Portis early, though I guess I can see why it happened. We were down 17 in the first half, so there was still plently of time at that point. Also, I think we need to try throwing to him more. Anything to get him the ball!

(Incidently, Cooley needs more touches. What great hands!)

MTK · 11-15-2004, 01:42 PM

I think the plan was to try to get Brunell established early. Obviously that didn't happen and it was 14-0 very quickly.

Summo · 11-15-2004, 02:46 PM

My interpretation of the game plan was that he was calling all pass plays early to loosen up the defense. The Bengals knew they were weak against the run and they also knew that we couldn't pass worth the heck, so Joe figured that they would stack the line of scrimmage and leave the receivers in single coverage. Brunell couldn’t make the reads fast enough let alone make any good throws and we fell behind so quickly that we had no choice but to abandon the run.

With Ramsey in there you can see the passing game is going to get a lot better. Ramsey has good footwork and stands very tall in the pocket and delivers rockets when he has the time to plant his feet and throw. With Brunell you can see that he is so unsure of himself and is afraid of making a mistake that he is quick to leave the pocket and try to buy extra time. But because he is up there in years he no longer has the ability to do that forcing him to throw off his back foot resulting in high throws with little velocity on them. I agree that against the Eagles they need to run it more and keep McNabb and Owens off the field. I still believe in Gibbs and I know he will turn this thing around, maybe not this season but real soon.

skinsguy · 11-15-2004, 02:54 PM

Yeah Gibbs had said that they had added time onto practices to work on the passing game...so apparently Gibbs was testing the waters and seeing if they could establish the pass early to get the Bengals off of their game plan. Unfortunately, this played right into the hands of the Bengals because Brunnell really stunk up the place! Of course he wasn't the only one..there were a few pass from him right on target that were dropped.

FRPLG · 11-15-2004, 03:00 PM

The offense was so terrible it was tough to get into a rhythm. When you are constantly in 3rd and long running the ball doesn't work. They took some shots down field for once and nothing hit. I don't think they abandoned the run at all. Our offense was just so bad they didn't have more than 1 first down on a series forever so they didn't run that many plays until the d tighetened up in the secodn half.

skinsguy · 11-15-2004, 03:05 PM

I'm surprised Portis was able to get as many rushing yards as he did yesterday.

BossHog · 11-15-2004, 04:46 PM

Gibbs and the Geritol Gentlemen coached against themselves. What idiots! They saw that CIN was near the bottom in the league in rushing defense and near the top at points off turnovers and with our passing offense and QB rating being the worst we were going to throw on every down to start the game?

Gmanc711 · 11-15-2004, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

I'm surprised Portis was able to get as many rushing yards as he did yesterday.

Yeah in all seriousness, he still played a damn good game with the carries he got.

11-15-2004, 11:52 AM	#1
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 38 Posts: 447	Playcalling Yesterday I know that we got down early and had to pass. But at the start of the game we threw practically every down against one of the leagues worst rushing d's. I do not understand why we decided to pass pass pass when we have C. Portis in the backfield. In his only start against the Bengals he had 120 something yards and 2 TDs.

11-15-2004, 12:00 PM	#2
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	It was discouraging to see them not use Portis (he ended up with 81 yards on 17 carries). I think we went into panic mode too soon, just like in the Giants game. I think the plan was to come out firing, get some completions, and give the offense a confidence boost against one of the worst Ds in the league. Obviously our offense was more anemic that the coaching staff thought and it didn't work out that way. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

11-15-2004, 12:11 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I think they might bave been thinking that since everyone is expecting the run why not fool them with the pass. Also I believe they had a couple of rookies at safety right? I could be wrong there __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-15-2004, 12:15 PM	#5
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	I feel this was because gibbs was trying make something happen for brunnell, like to say give me something to keep you in. but it progressively got worst and there for made the change. next week will hopefully be a different story. __________________ That got ugly fast

11-15-2004, 12:33 PM	#7
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	I'm pretty sure most of us could cpayne, in all seriousness. Or at least made them catchable. Anyway, the playcalling was very dissapointing, but when were down 17, what are ya gonna do? Against Philly we need a healthy dose of Portis, and then take shots down the feild. But yeah, I was really shocked not to see Portis get at least 25 touches. __________________ #21

11-15-2004, 01:11 PM	#8
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 56 Posts: 4,719	I think we gave up on Portis early, though I guess I can see why it happened. We were down 17 in the first half, so there was still plently of time at that point. Also, I think we need to try throwing to him more. Anything to get him the ball! (Incidently, Cooley needs more touches. What great hands!) __________________ Hail from Houston!

11-15-2004, 01:42 PM	#9
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	I think the plan was to try to get Brunell established early. Obviously that didn't happen and it was 14-0 very quickly.

11-15-2004, 02:46 PM	#10
Summo The Bringer of Digital Bling Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lindenhurst NY Age: 54 Posts: 893	My interpretation of the game plan was that he was calling all pass plays early to loosen up the defense. The Bengals knew they were weak against the run and they also knew that we couldn't pass worth the heck, so Joe figured that they would stack the line of scrimmage and leave the receivers in single coverage. Brunell couldn’t make the reads fast enough let alone make any good throws and we fell behind so quickly that we had no choice but to abandon the run. With Ramsey in there you can see the passing game is going to get a lot better. Ramsey has good footwork and stands very tall in the pocket and delivers rockets when he has the time to plant his feet and throw. With Brunell you can see that he is so unsure of himself and is afraid of making a mistake that he is quick to leave the pocket and try to buy extra time. But because he is up there in years he no longer has the ability to do that forcing him to throw off his back foot resulting in high throws with little velocity on them. I agree that against the Eagles they need to run it more and keep McNabb and Owens off the field. I still believe in Gibbs and I know he will turn this thing around, maybe not this season but real soon. __________________ My Website Visit my Socials: Twitter: @summo13 IGram:@summo13art

11-15-2004, 02:54 PM	#11
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Yeah Gibbs had said that they had added time onto practices to work on the passing game...so apparently Gibbs was testing the waters and seeing if they could establish the pass early to get the Bengals off of their game plan. Unfortunately, this played right into the hands of the Bengals because Brunnell really stunk up the place! Of course he wasn't the only one..there were a few pass from him right on target that were dropped.

11-15-2004, 03:00 PM	#12
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	The offense was so terrible it was tough to get into a rhythm. When you are constantly in 3rd and long running the ball doesn't work. They took some shots down field for once and nothing hit. I don't think they abandoned the run at all. Our offense was just so bad they didn't have more than 1 first down on a series forever so they didn't run that many plays until the d tighetened up in the secodn half.

11-15-2004, 03:05 PM	#13
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I'm surprised Portis was able to get as many rushing yards as he did yesterday.

11-15-2004, 04:46 PM	#14
BossHog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 665	Gibbs and the Geritol Gentlemen coached against themselves. What idiots! They saw that CIN was near the bottom in the league in rushing defense and near the top at points off turnovers and with our passing offense and QB rating being the worst we were going to throw on every down to start the game?

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