2009 Skins Off Season Plans Ideas, Draft and FA plus cuts

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Actually, I'll be okay with a D-lineman as our 1st choice if we've traded down and have added at least a 2nd round pick as a result. That will be, of course, if we use said 2nd round pick on the O-line. Sigh... I just want so badly for us to use draft picks on lineman.

I think one or two will be, but not all.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think one or two will be, but not all.

I don't need all of our draft picks to be lineman, but one or two (early picks preferably) will help.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I don't need all of our draft picks to be lineman, but one or two (early picks preferably) will help.

Well, if they stay with four picks I'm guessing one offensive lineman, one linebacker, one running back and a head-scratcher, like say a safety.

I'm not really expecting a defensive lineman to be drafted unless it's the first pick in the draft (the Redskins first pick that is). But who knows

[gaudiomatt]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

On the Allen bandwagon, I see. What quality skill players are you referring to? Michael Clayton? Maurice Stovall? Dexter Jackson?

I'm only on the Allen bandwagon because it's a rumor right now.
Pros: I think he would be interesting here because he has some qualities that are very unique. First things first; the guy has taken a player in every round of the draft every year he's been there. Having our draft picks would be pretty fing nice around here. Two the guy gets high intensity aggressive players with a lot of fire which is what I like. The Buccanneers are and have been a hard hitting team so that might be Gruden, might just be the John Lynch era but I wouldn't mind that mentality. He drafts a lot of Olineman and Dlineman. The Bucs have a good amount of depth. So I like all of that and if Gruden doesn't find work I don't think he should be GM here but I'm sure Snyder could pay him enough to become a part of the organization which would be nice for our brain trust not to be 2/3 cerratto and snyder every year. Maybe Allen hires the cheerleaders too the Bucs are by far the best in the league.

Cons: He's tied at the hip with Gruden so if Gruden finds work he's not coming here. He's just took Talib the CB in the late first round and the guy has performed very well as a starter. Other then that Mark Clayton is the only guy he's really taken recently. The Bucs can fight but they don't have a ton of talent on that team anymore, in any position. They have a terrible QB situation there in my opinion I don't want that. His team is 45$ million under the cap, which I'm sure Snyder would like but that doesn't make any sense to me, why would you not want to spend that and pick up players thats just cheap in my opinion even though it takes a lot of skill. With us approaching no salary cap that talent would also be kinda useless.

So overall I would like this guy to be here, But really I just want Cerratto to get the f out of D.C. more.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, if they stay with four picks I'm guessing one offensive lineman, one linebacker, one running back and a head-scratcher, like say a safety.

I'm not really expecting a defensive lineman to be drafted unless it's the first pick in the draft (the Redskins first pick that is). But who knows

I'd be just fine with that if the 1st of our 4 picks is O-line, and we are active but smart in the FA market.

[Meks]

ur sadly mistaken friend.

13 th for -- 25th, 3rd and 6th round, wont happen.

F*** shane graham, draft Florida states kicker in a later round.

Shawn springs, will not be let go this season. he may share time btween saftey n corner, but thats about all. if NETHING let bum ass SMOOT go.

Kendall wont go, golston wont go either..


i honestly bleeve there wont be as many changes as people think sadly... i dont like it... but it is wat it is with our F.O.

and oh yea, Allen > Cerrato.

[gaudiomatt]

yea I Thought that too but The 26th pick is the Ravens and we might have a shot there. They could use some playmakers on offense or might want to replace some of the talent they'll lose with all thre LBs hitting the market. There also a team that is incredibly good at picking stars with early first rounders. They pretty much are always right, and all the guys they've picked high are their main contributors so they seemed like a team to me who might go for it. The people thinking we're going to be able to get the 20th pick from detroit and pick up like a 2nd or 3rd underestimate even Detroit, nobody is that dumb.

Also the Colts are picking 27th and a lot of mocks have them taking Dline or specifically Jerry so I figured thats the latest this guy is going to be on the board. I also would be down with Mack but I think going Jerry then Wood would be a lot better.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by gaudiomatt

I'm only on the Allen bandwagon because it's a rumor right now.

Fair enough, I think that rumor is dying down a bit now.

Personally, I don't think Allen is substantially better than anything we currently have in our personnel department and it's not like his hiring would be the catalyst toward landing some big-time coach, such as Cowher, if that was a direction we took.

I would like to see the final authority over the entire process handed over to either Scott Campbell or Morocco Brown before we bring in someone like Bruce Allen.

But more than anything, we need some stability in our philosophy. I think that's a much bigger deal than who the coach is or who the general manager is. We must commit to commitment! Look at the Steelers for example, even when they changed from Cowher to Tomlin their identity (hard nosed defense, control the clock) remained the same. When the Giants went from Ernie Accorsi to Jerry Reese their identity (build through the draft, fill through free agency) remained constant.

For various reasons we have lacked a consistent identity for nearly the past decade, save for when Gibbs was here (but even then may have een suspect). Our changes were as radical as they could possibly be, Martyball to the Fun and Gun, Gibbs/Saunders to the West Coast. With such radical shifts in philosophies and identities it's a wonder we haven't been worse.

[Dirtbag59]

What's with all the love for Alex Mack? I mean believe me I love that you guys are lobbying for O-Lineman but this is a deep draft at Center. If anything I would rather get Curry or Meluga (assuming we pickup at least one suitable OL free agent like Vernon Carey) or if those guys aren't available pounce on the opportunity to grab Michael Oher. However unless Alex Mack really is the next Matt Birk then I'd rather go Top 2 LB or Top 4 OT with our 1st round pick (or as some people have been saying lately all over the fanbase 13th round pick).

[Luxorreb]

Brennan is the next Favre.

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

This situation you propose would NEVER happen. Letting go of 11 players that get significant playing time, 9 of them being starters and filling the holes with free agency. Cutting these guys to free up cap space, how long have you been a Redskins fan? We dont do that, we keep our key players and restructure deals. A few cuts might be made, but not even close to that amount. Plus if we wanted to ensure that we get all these free agents you desire, we will have to overpay for them or they will get away to someone else who will. Doing so will defeat the purpose of cutting our players to free up cap space...we're better off with consistency. I also have no idea how you judge talent, cut rabach? keep taylor but cut springs? Keep Jansen AND sign Andrews while we have heyer to backup? Bank on Reinhart starting despite him not getting in any games this year? Cut Griffin and Golston to sign Bernard and bank that we will get a solid DT in the draft? You have some pretty interesting viewpoints.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

What's with all the love for Alex Mack? I mean believe me I love that you guys are lobbying for O-Lineman but this is a deep draft at Center. If anything I would rather get Curry or Meluga (assuming we pickup at least one suitable OL free agent like Vernon Carey) or if those guys aren't available pounce on the opportunity to grab Michael Oher. However unless Alex Mack really is the next Matt Birk then I'd rather go Top 2 LB or Top 4 OT with our 1st round pick (or as some people have been saying lately all over the fanbase 13th round pick).

I think the reason everyone likes Mack is because he is such a versatile player. You could plug him in pretty much anywhere on the OLine and he'll produce. He's not my first choice in the draft but I wouldn't be all that upset if we did take him at 13 either.

[vallin21]

1. Re sign Hall
2. Cut loose Springs, Dainels, Jansen, Washington, and Kendall
3. There's No way in Hell I would sign an average at best Incognito. He's a dirty player, an obnoxious jerk who is up there with the most unsportsmanlike conducts.
4. Sign Haynesworth; add depth on both lines, make a push at Suggs or Dansby
5. Draft a tackle (Oher, or Monroe) at 13 if not trade down in the mid 20's recoup a first and a second

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by gaudiomatt

I know theres probably been a lot of these but I just wanted to throw some ideas out there see how people react they might not all be possible but I think the ideas make a lot of sense.

1. Cut all the enormous contracts on this team not performing. This has to be done with some timing though I don't think it should all be done on day one.

A. Shawn Springs
B. Marcus Washington
C. Cornelius Griffin
D. Reed Doughty
E. Phillip Daniels
F. Casey Rabach
G. Shawn Suisham
H. Jason Fabini
I. James Thrash
H. Let Golston and Kendall go

I'm bias, I hate Shawn Springs, He doesn't play because he's a woman not because he's injured. He get's paid the second highest salary on the team because Cerratto is dumb, not because he's good.

2. Resign our players.
A. Sign Denagelo Hall for the offer we gave him, it's very reasonable and 12m guranteed is all he deserves he won't get much more anywhere else and the offer is extremely reasonable he will get paid a lot if he performs.
B. Resign Montgomery and Alexander for cheap salaries. This should be pretty easy.
C. Resign Carlos Rogers for the same deal we gave Deangelo Hall. I completely don't understand the Hall or Rogers debate. Shawn Springs is the most chronically injured player on the team and does not have Roger's coverage skills or Hall's int playmaking ability. Rogers is a young up and coming CB and we could sign him before he breaks out and makes a big payday somehwere else next year in free agency.

Free Agency:
This is kinda speculative know one knows exactly how this will play out and subsequently this will affect the draft greatly but this is what I think is possible and makes a lot of sense for this team, unfortunately those are the type of decisions Cerrato hates so heres my first order of business.
1. Sign Buccaneers personel man Bruce Allen as our GM, a team with a great track record of drafting lineman and getting quality skill players when he takes them early.
2. Sign Stacy Andrews to take over at RT, he should be cheap coming off an injury and is a quality tackle. He can play at pro bowl levels, if he doesn't perform stephon heyer can take over and Jansen is a solid backup.
3. Sign Ritchie Incognito, Give us some depth at G, Whoever performs out of Icognito, Thomas and Rhinehart should start and we can add another G for cheap in FA or late in the draft.
4. Sign Jovan Haye or Rocky Bernard or both. This would be an upgrade and neither is gonna completely fix our dline woes but this would be a great quality value pickup.
5. Get a cheap backup center for a low price.
6. Sign Michael Boley, Leroy Hill, or Angelo Crowell. Crowder and Dansby are both the hotter players right now but they're teams succes is going to massively drive up their price tags and we do not need to be spending big money.
7. Sign a cheap veteran CB to give us some more depth after letting springs go.
8. Sign Kicker Shayne Graham.
7. Key message, fill holes without breaking bank on massive contracts especialy guys like Gross or Peppers or Haynesworth. We have a track record of making these guys not live up to the money we give them. This seems reasonable to me and with the cuts we would have made we should have some decent money to spend.

Draft:
1. Trade out of 13 pick to something in the 22 - 28 range. Try and get a third and sixth rounder in the process.
1. 1st round 26th pick - Peria Jerry DT.
2. 3rd round A - Eric Wood or Jonathon Luigs C.
3. 3rd Round B - Connor Barwin DE. If he's not there go G or DE.
4. 5th round A - Zach Fulton LB
5. 5th Round B - Pat White QB who probably won't be there but if he's not fill our roster out with needs on the oline and dline.

Give me your thoughts.

I agree with B, C, D,E G, and H. Can't cut Springs when you plan to deal Rogers. Bigger question for Springs is not attitude or anything like that, it is, will you get more than 9 games out of him. Resigning DeAngelo Hall should be top priority. Springs, Hall, Smoot, and a young FA or draft pick would be a good secondary.

IMO on the draft, all draft picks shoudl address OLine, DLine, and Linebacker.

[GMScud]

I think we should take a look at Channing Crowder. Sure I'm biased towards Gators, but he's a good young player, durable, would fit our scheme, and probably wouldn't cost too much.

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