Updated: Evaluating the QB Situation (Discuss Campbell, Colt, etc)

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think there's a difference between being stingy with DJ Hackett and ponying up money for an improved JC in 2009. By the way, can people not act like having an uncapped year wouldn't be such a big deal? Please, I don't want my beloved sport of football to turn into that faux-pro sport known as baseball.

right there with you, i really hope the nfl doesnt go uncapped for even a year. yeah i know an uncapped year favors teams like us and the boys but i dont want to turn into the yankees who offer outrageous Ks to any decent FA.

IMO i dont see any problem showing JC some money if he proves he can lock down the qb position next year. its not likely that his stats are going to be astronomical next year to the point we have to make him a top 5 or 10 paid qb. something around derek anderson's K would probaly work if he continues to improve at the pace he is currently on.

also, having to negotiate a K with a qb we want to lead our team for years to come is a problem i welcome with open arms. honestly, if JC proves the doubters wrong (im kinda one of them), would we really be that upset in giving him 4 yr 25 mil type money? its not like the guy is going to throw for 4000 yds and 25+ tds next year, where he would be in a position to demand 5 yr 56 mil type money.

man the JC vortex has sucked me back in . .

go skins!!

[BigHairedAristocrat]

One uncapped year doesnt benefit anyone. Since teams would have three franchise tags, and players would need 6 years of service to become unrestricted free agents, the free agent market in an uncapped 2010 would be very pathetic. its not like there would be a ton of great players to spend on... even if snyder was willing to spend.

The one and only advantage of an uncapped year for a team like the skins would be it would allow us to cut guys like Randy Thomas, jansen, ARE, Moss, Portis, and Carter... guys who will still be on the roster entering 2010 but grossly overpaid....

And, since there wouldnt be that many free agents out there, teams would be more likely to trade older players with high cap figures... which means the skins could send 4 1st rounders to the Pats for Tom Brady or something ridiculous like that and the teams could afford to take the cap hits... trust me, Snyder would trade away the future for old vets and it would be the early 2000s all over again....

then, when the cap was reinstated, we would have to cut tons of players (ones we had traded picks for), just to get under the newly reinstated cap... while the teams who fleeced us for picks had additional picks to better themselves going forward. An uncapped year would be a field day for irresponsible, short-sighted teams like ours to ruin themselves.... no thanks.

hopefully a miracle will happen and a new CBA can be signed before the deadline.

[Nflnick11]

redskins need to draft this guy in the 5th or 6th round, he's also a decent cover corner as well with good size

YouTube - Joe Burnett Makes A HUGE Punt Return

[SmootSmack]

Put that in one of the draft threads Nick, doesn't go here

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Put that in one of the draft threads Nick, doesn't go here

You said to post your thoughts from that thread to this one, now your telling me to go back to that thread... Ughhh...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

You said to post your thoughts from that thread to this one, now your telling me to go back to that thread... Ughhh...

Yeah that was my bad, I locked the wrong thread initially

[SmootSmack]

Per 44's request, I'm making some radical changes to this thread

[SmootSmack]

after dinner

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

after dinner

LOL.

[Meks]

Zorn was horrid at play calling 70% of the time

O-line couldn't block my little sister and her friends.

recievers were sub-par, and that may be an over-statement.

we barely had a pass rush, jason taylor had one good game if that.

Moss should have been returning WAY more punts.

when the line was healthy, and not beat up, JC was doing fine.

he only got worse because of the line.... and..... every QB misses some throws, and miss open receivers when the coach is telling u to go elswhere with the play-call....

i hardly blame him at all.

i'd lay 20% of the blame on Campbell.

no more no less.

[MdBluefinCrab]

Vinny needs to upgrade the O-line with a strong running game, to camouflage JC's deficiencies. That's what got us to 6-2 this past season. It wasn't anything that JC did that got us that 6-2 record, it was our O-line doing an excellent job of opening up holes for CP, in spite of JC's weak performance on the field. JC had a couple of excellent plays throughout the year, that's all. It was because of his lack of getting the ball down field and inability to score that made over 50% of those games...nail biters.
It was our Defense that won those games. It was the Defense that was mostly responsible for getting us that 6-2 record.
I hope JC at least learns to throw the ball down field more often and stops locking onto his primary receiver this off season. I don't care how many systems you have played in, that's something that should be second nature to him...jeez!
Oh well, it should be an interesting season next year but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for JC to be an NFL QB and Vinny to actually get it right...for once.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by MdBluefinCrab

Vinny needs to upgrade the O-line with a strong running game, to camouflage JC's deficiencies. That's what got us to 6-2 this past season. It wasn't anything that JC did that got us that 6-2 record, it was our O-line doing an excellent job of opening up holes for CP, in spite of JC's weak performance on the field. JC had a couple of excellent plays throughout the year, that's all. It was because of his lack of getting the ball down field and inability to score that made over 50% of those games...nail biters.
It was our Defense that won those games. It was the Defense that was mostly responsible for getting us that 6-2 record.
I hope JC at least learns to throw the ball down field more often and stops locking onto his primary receiver this off season. I don't care how many systems you have played in, that's something that should be second nature to him...jeez!
Oh well, it should be an interesting season next year but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for JC to be an NFL QB and Vinny to actually get it right...for once.

Right. 0 INTs and a QB rating hovering around 100 through 8 games had nothing to do with the 6-2 start. Hell, Jaws even had JC as his MVP up through that point of the season.

[SBXVII]

I must have missed something. Why do we have two of the same blog on the boards?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by MdBluefinCrab

Vinny needs to upgrade the O-line with a strong running game, to camouflage JC's deficiencies. That's what got us to 6-2 this past season. It wasn't anything that JC did that got us that 6-2 record, it was our O-line doing an excellent job of opening up holes for CP, in spite of JC's weak performance on the field. JC had a couple of excellent plays throughout the year, that's all. It was because of his lack of getting the ball down field and inability to score that made over 50% of those games...nail biters.
It was our Defense that won those games. It was the Defense that was mostly responsible for getting us that 6-2 record.
I hope JC at least learns to throw the ball down field more often and stops locking onto his primary receiver this off season. I don't care how many systems you have played in, that's something that should be second nature to him...jeez!
Oh well, it should be an interesting season next year but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for JC to be an NFL QB and Vinny to actually get it right...for once.

Zorn has already pulled Campbell out of locking on.
They threw the ball down the field more during the first half, when pressure on Campbell was not heavy.
Zona game would not have been a nail biter if Heyer didn't get a penalty that negated a Devin Thomas TD.
Also, if it were all CP, why do I see plenty of pass plays being called and many of them resulting in successful completions along with an avg. greater than 7 yds during that stretch for Campbell?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MdBluefinCrab

Vinny needs to upgrade the O-line with a strong running game, to camouflage JC's deficiencies. That's what got us to 6-2 this past season. It wasn't anything that JC did that got us that 6-2 record, it was our O-line doing an excellent job of opening up holes for CP, in spite of JC's weak performance on the field. JC had a couple of excellent plays throughout the year, that's all. It was because of his lack of getting the ball down field and inability to score that made over 50% of those games...nail biters.
It was our Defense that won those games. It was the Defense that was mostly responsible for getting us that 6-2 record.
I hope JC at least learns to throw the ball down field more often and stops locking onto his primary receiver this off season. I don't care how many systems you have played in, that's something that should be second nature to him...jeez!
Oh well, it should be an interesting season next year but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for JC to be an NFL QB and Vinny to actually get it right...for once.

See these are the typical negative rants that upset me. Here's my counterpoint to your rant

- JC had a stellar first half of the season, did not turn the ball over and during those first 8 games put up some very good numbers, he was among that top 10 rated QBs in the league.

- Actually I do agree with your statement about the team's inability to score, our red zone offense was horrible, and the offense did not put teams away. But I don't thin you can pin that on JC alone.

- JC did at times lock into a primary receiver, however there were times that our receivers could not get separation. JC didn't trust the rookies (not entirely his fault), and to be honest, I would have liked to have seen better production from Cooley.

Campbell needs to improve in his downfield attack, and hopefully having the rookies at full speed in camp will help develop some trust and confidence in them, allowing him to have more options. The Redskins are a run-first/pass-second team, however JC does need to develop into the type of QB that can win the game for us. Due to our good running game and our above average defense, I think we've asked the QBs to be game managers and not to go and win the game.

Honestly, I have yet to see you make anything that resembles a non-negative comment about the team. Not that you are required to make one or something, I just wonder if you have so little faith on the team and its players, why are you a fan?