Redskins vs. Giants Gameday thread, Opener 2009

[SBXVII]

I think there were break downs across the board. O-line was not blocking. HC never figured out a way around that issue. Portis only had like 2 half decent runs. Betts still sucks although he did as good as Cartwright on KR. This is where I like to say I told you so, cause I told you all Betts could do that job as good or better. He has done it before. ARE had a great showing and so did Cooley. I'm not sure what JC's problem is. Does he walk up to the line and over think the defense? Is he sitting there always trying to change the play vs. just running the damn play given? Why does he only feel comfortable with 4 people? Moss, Cooley, Portis, and ARE? Did he not practice all summer with Thomas? Kelly?

When you out matched talent wise the best thing to do is take the other team off their game. The Giants did just that. The Skins allowed the Giants to man handle them and take them off their game. I don't think the better team won, instead the smartest team won. They found a way to win. Touche'.

The unfortunate thing is everyone else won. Now we are 1 game behind. It's going to be a long season and if it is....any bets on who's the next HC?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You either can't read or you're drunk. History of the NFL? LYAO at what? Illiteracy? I said "today's games." Thanks for trying though.

Campbell found Kelly several times during the preseason. If he was open I'm pretty sure he would have targeted him more. I suppose you'd prefer to force throws to well covered players just because they're bigger and "more dynamic?" Please.

So if guys at the top of our depth chart can't get open, you think we should just bench them for the likes of our #5 WR? Good thing you're not he coach. Cooley had 7 catches and a TD. So why are you asking for Fred Davis?

You trying to set a record for lol's in a post? LOL.

I'm not picking sides but wouldn't it be better then forcing throws to smaller dynamic players? Oh wait JC did that. Outcome: Interception.

[mooby]

I guess my only thing for now is that all the hype that I usually never listen to actually did something for me. In between reading all the reports throughout training camp from places like the Redskins Blog and the others, and in the final two preseason games, I really thought we were coming on strong and that we would be ready to play and stand up to the Giants today. Sure I didn't think we'd just stomp all over the Giants in their place but I thought it would be a legit battle that would go down to the wire, and based on our up-tempo offense against the Pats and Jacksonville I figured we'd play the same way tonight. It was just a huge letdown. I should've seen the defensive breakdowns coming because they couldn't get off the field on third downs during the preseason and I also saw shoddy tackling too. I just didn't think our offense would look anything like what it looked like tonight and that was the part that left me in disbelief.

The good thing is that all of the problems we had are completely correctable and it's only the first game of the season so we have plenty of time left to fix our mistakes and start playing good football. I guess there's just a part of me that thinks that maybe this coaching staff, no matter how hard they try, might not get it done, or instead might just act like this never happened and continue on, or in JZ's case, just continue calling plays like he thought it actually worked against the Giants against a similar upcoming defense. I just want us to learn from our mistakes, not just the players, but the coaching staff too. That's the only way JZ, JC, and the rest of the team will be successful this season. Otherwise the JZ era will be shortlived because we all know what Dan can and probably will do.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think there were break downs across the board. O-line was not blocking. HC never figured out a way around that issue. Portis only had like 2 half decent runs. Betts still sucks although he did as good as Cartwright on KR. This is where I like to say I told you so, cause I told you all Betts could do that job as good or better. He has done it before. ARE had a great showing and so did Cooley. I'm not sure what JC's problem is. Does he walk up to the line and over think the defense? Is he sitting there always trying to change the play vs. just running the damn play given? Why does he only feel comfortable with 4 people? Moss, Cooley, Portis, and ARE? Did he not practice all summer with Thomas? Kelly?

When you out matched talent wise the best thing to do is take the other team off their game. The Giants did just that. The Skins allowed the Giants to man handle them and take them off their game. I don't think the better team won, instead the smartest team won. They found a way to win. Touche'.

The unfortunate thing is everyone else won. Now we are 1 game behind. It's going to be a long season and if it is....any bets on who's the next HC?

AMEN. I am not going down the backup RBs road again tho..lol.

Someone who started this game. Might be deactivated in the next game. We need to use our weapons. If Portis couldn't get going. You know Betts wasn't going to at RB. I am going to leave it at that. Betts screen pass. That's his whole game. Catching the dump off. I honestly dont think he is the only one that can do it.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You either can't read or you're drunk. History of the NFL? LYAO at what? Illiteracy? I said "today's games." Thanks for trying though.

Campbell found Kelly several times during the preseason. If he was open I'm pretty sure he would have targeted him more. I suppose you'd prefer to force throws to well covered players just because they're bigger and "more dynamic?" Please.

So if guys at the top of our depth chart can't get open, you think we should just bench them for the likes of our #5 WR? Good thing you're not he coach. Cooley had 7 catches and a TD. So why are you asking for Fred Davis?

You trying to set a record for lol's in a post? LOL.

Okay. Whether its stats for today or in the history of the NFL. Doesn't matter.

I am saying we didn't utilize our skill players. To the point your trying to make. If other players can't get it done DAMN RIGHT I am going down my depth chart for a player that can make plays. Whether its the 3ed 4th or 5th receiver. Cooley was making catches. So that means we couldn't use a two TE set? or utilize another TE? Your making no sense.

Also. it is better to throw high to a tall receiver on the sideline then to try to dart one to a smaller player. Atleast with the taller player if you throw it were only he can catch it on the sideline then if he misses it it goes out of bounds. DUH.

Yes I am glad I am not the coach. But that doesn't make Zorn a good coach.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Okay. Whether its stats for today or in the history of the NFL. Doesn't matter.

I am saying we didn't utilize our skill players. To the point your trying to make. If other players can't get it done DAMN RIGHT I am going down my depth chart for a player that can make plays. Whether its the 3ed 4th or 5th receiver. Cooley was making catches. So that means we couldn't use a two TE set? or utilize another TE? Your making no sense.

Also. it is better to throw high to a tall receiver on the sideline then to try to dart one to a smaller player. Atleast with the taller player if you throw it were only he can catch it on the sideline then if he misses it it goes out of bounds. DUH.

Yes I am glad I am not the coach. But that doesn't make Zorn a good coach.

Yawn.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Okay. Whether its stats for today or in the history of the NFL. Doesn't matter.

I am saying we didn't utilize our skill players. To the point your trying to make. If other players can't get it done DAMN RIGHT I am going down my depth chart for a player that can make plays. Whether its the 3ed 4th or 5th receiver. Cooley was making catches. So that means we couldn't use a two TE set? or utilize another TE? Your making no sense.

Also. it is better to throw high to a tall receiver on the sideline then to try to dart one to a smaller player. Atleast with the taller player if you throw it were only he can catch it on the sideline then if he misses it it goes out of bounds. DUH.

Yes I am glad I am not the coach. But that doesn't make Zorn a good coach.

Is it that we didn't utilize our skill players, or did skill players like Moss not show up to play?

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Is it that we didn't utilize our skill players, or did skill players like Moss not show up to play?

Yeah Moss head wasn't in the game. That's my point. Try someone else out on a few plays and sit him down until he gets his head together. Moss is our #1 receiver no doubt. But on some plays use your tall receivers or other options to pull double teams off him or atleast having a bigger target or two (Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell) in the game would help.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Yawn.

Nice rebuttal tho. Good nite.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Dallas scored 34 earlier, Philly scored 38. NYG are going to get damn near 30 against us... and we'll be lucky to get 17. Kinda says it all.

Look at the opponents...Dallas played a TB team that is nowhere near the caliber of their teams in the past, especially on D. Philly played a horrible Carolina team whose QB had 5 TOs personally...if they can't score points with those gifts, they're hopeless.

We played a team with the BEST D-line in the NFL. We held their offense to 17 points.

I don't see things in your unrealistic way.

[CRedskinsRule]

I don't know where else to say this, but really, we know we can beat Dal, we know we can beat Philly. Can we just beat the Giants please. They seem to have our number, and I think its as much mental as it is on the field. somehow someway, we need to beat them when they come to Fedex later this year.
Thanks for listening

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

God, I wish we had got Jay Cutler or Mark Sanchez.

Cutler:
17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating

Sanchez:
18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating

Campbell:
19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating

What did you say? JC was the best of them all yesterday. Cutler looked horrid. Sanchez looked like the rookie he is.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Yeah Moss head wasn't in the game. That's my point. Try someone else out on a few plays and sit him down until he gets his head together. Moss is our #1 receiver no doubt. But on some plays use your tall receivers or other options to pull double teams off him or atleast having a bigger target or two (Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell) in the game would help.

Agreed. There is no point in having multiple weapons if you're not going to use them. Moss is not above the team, if he doesn't have his head in the game, sit his ass down and put someone in who does. It wouldn't have hurt to put in a bigger receiver to see if the DB's could handle him as well as they handled the smaller Moss.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Buster

Campbell:
19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating

What did you say? JC was the best of them all yesterday. Cutler looked horrid. Sanchez looked like the rookie he is.

............how many of the yards came on those 2 broken plays?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Giantone

............how many of the yards came on those 2 broken plays?

Congrats on a game well played, Giantone.