can WE now start a countdown to a new coach and qb

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by mredskins

You and Paintrain are correct I should have count those games as well. In the end only time will decide this argument, my money is on Campbell/Zorn gone at the end of the year but I hope I am wrong.

If Zorn is gone its cause he got fired. If Campbell is gone its because he is tired of being put into a system that fit his strengths. Campbell will sign with a team that knows how to taylor his strengths to their offense.

[skins89moss]

I watch the game and my observations are the following:
1.Zorn is not on par with the elite coaches so lets not fool ourselves. I believe he will get our team winning though.

2.J.C. made a mistake on forcing the ball to Moss near the sideline when he should have just ran out of bounce or threw it away. He will learn from this mistake. The fumble was partially on him for not having the awareness to feel the pressure and step up in the pocket and either run or throw it away. Samuels could have blocked his man better to prevent the pressure. JC made some nice throws when he had time and he turned a botched snap into a nice gain to Betts. Zorn let JC either play his way to a big contract or sink and go some where else by letting his put the ball in the air.

3.The Defense played well but had to many crucial penalties and could not get off the field on 3rd downs. Our DB's played to soft in coverage and did not tackle well especial on the Manningham catch and run for a TD. Smoot, Carter, Hall all had a chance to push him out of bounds. The D-Line played well but still didnt get much pressure on Eli. The Giants did not run any deep routes and Eli got the ball out quick on short underneath routes. The Giants had a few big runs but we kept the running game in check. Stop them on 4th and 1 near goalline. Defense 2 forced turnovers converted it for only 3 points. Carlos Rogers still can't catch a cold when he dropped an sure pick in the 1st qt. Giants fumble snap which the ball gets kicked forward and we dont recover it. 2 missed opportunities.

4.Special teams played well fake fg for touchdown nice call. Sure had me fooled. Still returns no chance of a return touchdown with Rock and Betts. Lack of return speed between the 2 players.

5. The offense had some nice moments but we need more explosive plays in the passing game. This means O-line needs to protect and WR have to get open. The O-Line did not give Portis many holes to run through which made it tough on the passing game when you run on 1st down and get 1 yard or no yards. Kelly, Moss, and Thomas a no show. Moss is suppose to be a leader but he let the Giants DB ( Webster) take him out the game. He got his ass whipped and had a blanket on him all over the field by Webster , he owned Moss. When hall got the int. on the 1st offense play Tuck did not get blocked and Portis was blown up in the backfield. It look like Heyer chipped him and went to block the LB. This had to be a missed assignment by Heyer cause your not going to let Tuck come through like that. Maybe Zorn can use a screenpass to the backs when facing a team that likes to rush the QB. I did'nt see us run 1 screenpass. Offense has to get in the end zone for us to have any chance to win game in the NFC East.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

I agree has no idea about the game of football. Also get off the drugs.

You should check your sentences before you imply that others are on drugs. Lighten up. I didn't lose the game, our team did.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by juggernaunt

can we please begin to start the conversation the either cowher or shannahan will be here by our bye week. also which QB do we build around bradford, snead, tebow, or Mc Coy.

We can countdown to you shutting up

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

We can countdown to you shutting up

I'm not real happy that we lost a game, I never am, but all this panicing after one game...I mean c'mon...this is a joke right??? Right???

[Monkeydad]

UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.

No way. I'm not taking anything away from Soup but Cutler was in control of the Pittsburgh game the other day. He won it too. I didn't see Sanchez but I hear they beat New England. Soup isn't up there with these guys because he hasn't beaten the Steelers or the Patriots. I'm not so sure it's him and not the play calling now. I'll have to see more.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.

Good post, love the stats!

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.

Good post i'm a JC supporter it's only 2 games and JC's only going to improve.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Good post i'm a JC supporter it's only 2 games and JC's only going to improve.

I am in total agreement. Zorn has to improve on his playcalling in a BIG way. JC is not what people make him out to be. Its been the same story even when Gibbs was here. Receivers dropping balls and trouble in the endzone.

I will say this though. Everything is slowly coming along. Last week we couldn't move the ball. this week we moved the ball with ease. Last week our defense didn't do squat. This week they held the rams to 7 points. Probbaly could have shut them out if not for a play here or there.

If we improve on our rush defense and score in the redzone atleast twice next week we will be headed the right way as far as progression.

Who better than to run rampant on the Lions.

Then we have Tampa Bay coming up which doesn't look that bad. Only threat is Cadillac. So we could easily be 3-1 eventhough we been playing like crap. Then Panthers and Chiefs? We might go 5-1. I see that as being possible eventhough we haven't had our "A" game yet. This schedule definitely works in our favor. So maybe we will be clicking on all gears when we reach the ATL game.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

No way. I'm not taking anything away from Soup but Cutler was in control of the Pittsburgh game the other day. He won it too. I didn't see Sanchez but I hear they beat New England. Soup isn't up there with these guys because he hasn't beaten the Steelers or the Patriots. I'm not so sure it's him and not the play calling now. I'll have to see more.

He's also in the NFC and won't ever be graded by how he does against the Steelers and the Patriots. He needs to do well against the Giants, Cowboys, and Eagles.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.

Nice one!

[09AFTacoma]

We should of picked up Jeff Garcia

[SBXVII]

.......16......15.......

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He's also in the NFC and won't ever be graded by how he does against the Steelers and the Patriots. He needs to do well against the Giants, Cowboys, and Eagles.

He was graded against the Steelers last year and flunked.