Michael Vick available...again

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

The guy who has "it" is dedicated to the game, loves playing it, and wouldn't risk it running an illegal enterprise.

While he didn't run an enterprise I would say that LT had his own demons. Love some of the stories about that guy though, like sending hookers to the hotels of the opposing team the night before games.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

A dog fighting kennel like his would be considered an "illegal enterprise".

And yes I find the old LT stories funny, and that was more of a guy having to much fun! He was a partier, and a good one. The 80s were a different time to.

[GusFrerotte]

80's was about enjoying life. Rather have Rozell than Goodell as Commish. Goodell has taken the fun out of the NFL by making it more corporate and PC.

[The Goat]

I am not making a case for signing Vick here; however I have to disagree w/ the consensus on Vick's ability and his future.

It's been widely reported, and confirmed, that during his 1st tenure in the league Vick 1) rarely practiced 2) never studied film 3) didn't really learn the playbook 4) didn't make a commitment to develop chemistry w/ his WR corp 5) partied a ton and basically didn't focus on football.

...and yet, the dude still managed to win a lot of games on a crappy team. Has Vick likely lost some physical prowess? Probably. But there is little doubt the dude has tremendous athletic ability and talent. There's also little doubt he knows this is his only chance to be great again, so I'd bet the farm Vick 1) practices his ass off 2) studies film constantly 3) memorizes the playbook 4) develops chemistry w/ his WR corp 5) FOCUSES ON FOOTBALL.

If he does these things I think he becomes a solid passer, like over 60% completion the first year. I think it's more likely he's a stud than a dud...

[GusFrerotte]

Goat

The guy wasn't a passer period. Do you think he is going to all of a sudden become a model QB student of the game after all these years? Hard work, study flim, etc? You kidding me? Vick can't take all the blame for his condition. VA Tech didn't do the guy any favors by giving him everything(chicks, probably $, etc) including a free pass in terms of academics just so he could rake in the dough for them. Can't teach a guy who has been given everything up front, and has relied solely on his athletic ability to all of a sudden become a hard worker. The guy is a journeyman QB from here on out

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Goat

The guy wasn't a passer period. Do you think he is going to all of a sudden become a model QB student of the game after all these years? Hard work, study flim, etc? You kidding me? Vick can't take all the blame for his condition. VA Tech didn't do the guy any favors by giving him everything(chicks, probably $, etc) including a free pass in terms of academics just so he could rake in the dough for them. Can't teach a guy who has been given everything up front, and has relied solely on his athletic ability to all of a sudden become a hard worker. The guy is a journeyman QB from here on out

You may be exactly right Gus. I'm just saying Vick damn well knows he's got one chance to become a marque player again. Yes I think he's gonna focus on football because otherwise he'll never again have the success, or the fan support, or the money (which he badly needs I understand).

...as the zen master says, we'll see

[Monkeydad]

Here we go again. Ugh.

[PHazard]

There are a few QBs i would look at before i looked at Vick, including (in no particular order): Mark Brunell, Seneca Wallace, Mike Teal, Charlie Batch, dennis dixon, rex grossman, dan orlovsky, kerry collins, tavaris jackson, sage rosenfels, caleb hanie, jt o sullivan, jesse palmer, jordan palmer, chase daniel, patrick ramsey, brian brohm, chris simms, tom brandstater, derek anderson, brady quinn, brett ratliff, byron leftwich, josh johnson, brian st pierre, billy volek, charlie whitehurst, brodie croyle, matt gutierrez, curtis painter, jim sorgi, jon kitna, stephen mcgeepat white, tyler thigpen, chris redmen, john parker wilson, john david booty, shaun hill, nate davis, david carr, luke mccown, kellen clemons, eric ainge, kevin o connell, daunte culpepper, drew stanton, matt flynn, jake mccown, aj feeley, brian hoyer, charlie frye, jamarcus russell, kyle boller, keith null, troy smith, john beck, jeff garcia, jp losman, rhett bomar, gibran hamden, hunter cantwell, andre woodson, dj shockley, jason campbell, todd collins, colt brennan, sam bradford, jimmy clausen, brett favre, troy aikman, conan obrien, jay leno, a monkey, mark wahlberg, those are just a few off the top of my head :-D

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Dude that is not your average high school stadium.


Seriously what the hell? How does a high school get that for their football stadium?

Successful schools tend to have successful alumni and area boosters, much like college programs. When you can get an area hyped about football you sell a shitton of tickets and the people who have become movers and shakers will cut you a pretty check.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by PHazard

There are a few QBs i would look at before i looked at Vick, including (in no particular order): Mark Brunell, Seneca Wallace, Mike Teal, Charlie Batch, dennis dixon, rex grossman, dan orlovsky, kerry collins, tavaris jackson, sage rosenfels, caleb hanie, jt o sullivan, jesse palmer, jordan palmer, chase daniel, patrick ramsey, brian brohm, chris simms, tom brandstater, derek anderson, brady quinn, brett ratliff, byron leftwich, josh johnson, brian st pierre, billy volek, charlie whitehurst, brodie croyle, matt gutierrez, curtis painter, jim sorgi, jon kitna, stephen mcgeepat white, tyler thigpen, chris redmen, john parker wilson, john david booty, shaun hill, nate davis, david carr, luke mccown, kellen clemons, eric ainge, kevin o connell, daunte culpepper, drew stanton, matt flynn, jake mccown, aj feeley, brian hoyer, charlie frye, jamarcus russell, kyle boller, keith null, troy smith, john beck, jeff garcia, jp losman, rhett bomar, gibran hamden, hunter cantwell, andre woodson, dj shockley, jason campbell, todd collins, colt brennan, sam bradford, jimmy clausen, brett favre, troy aikman, conan obrien, jay leno, a monkey, mark wahlberg, those are just a few off the top of my head :-D

Can you put these in order from highest to lowest on your wish list?

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Can you put these in order from highest to lowest on your wish list?

Vick also has a winning percentage as a starter. All of the those QB's with the exception of Brunell don't.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

You may be exactly right Gus. I'm just saying Vick damn well knows he's got one chance to become a marque player again. Yes I think he's gonna focus on football because otherwise he'll never again have the success, or the fan support, or the money (which he badly needs I understand).

...as the zen master says, we'll see

Is that a Charlie Wilson's War reference? LOL.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by ruhskins

is that a charlie wilson's war reference? Lol.

bingo!!!

[skins89moss]

I think Mike Vick played at the top of his game with the Falcons. They had the right system for him to excel in. With that being said Mike Vick will struggle to be a starting QB again in the NFL. You cant take 2 years off from the game a come back being better than when you left. The few times I saw Vick play he looked like he lost a step or two. Some team will take a chance on him but I dont think we need to take to. I rather give JC another year and see what he can do with a better O-Line and running game.

[Hog1]

Michael Vick available...again
So is Herpes.
I would prefer not to get either one.......