2011 NFL Draft

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I'm happy there is accountability finally, I'm happy everyone is being treated the same

Accountability, I understand, but that does not mean treating everyone the same way....lets look at Redskins Superbowl winning teams.
Gibbs certainly did not treat his players the same way...he went way out of his way for problem children, such as riggins and manley and he let theisman run his mouth....all to make them feel important.
He could have just forced them all into 100% compliance but then Riggins would have never played, Theisman's mouth would literally explode from pressure build up and the Hogs would have never developed their pridefull subteam mentality.

Think back to Portis with Gibbs 2.0.
People say Gibbs ran him into the ground....
(I thought that was called maximizing talent )
Yes he did...and Portis was very effective AND very happy AND the Skins made the playoffs twice, with Brunell and Collins for heavens sake.
I can't think of a player that Gibbs came across that doesn't respect him.
He got them motivated because they WANTED to play for him...because he treated them Fairly AND as an individual.

Playing for Shanny is more like do what he says and Comply...and forget your individuality...he doesn't seem to care....he just wants 100% compliance. This can be demorilizing to some since it would be nice to have a boss that cares about you personally, like Zorn seemed to and Gibbs before him. Shanny seems to be even harsher than Shottenheimer.
But Shotty seemed to get every bit out of his players, while Shanny doesn't seem to.

With the Skins, it just seems that coaching "styles" go from one extreme to another which freaks out players. Not saying that a military style coach can't be effective...just saying that I think this style could leave a lot of unmotivated players

[SBXVII]

Wow. Ok.

#1 - I think everyone pretty much knew the OL played horrid. I personally didn't think each one needed to step up to a microphone and mention their piss poor play caused McNabb to have bad games.

#2 - Did McNabb play well? No. Is it all his fault? No. I'll even defend McNabb for you... no one should expect a player to come in 4 months prior to the season starting an expect him to know the play book inside and out. I actually wouldn't mind seeing what McNabb can do with more time to learn the offense. But that most likely won't happen.

But those 2 reasons does not excuse McNabb for all his poorly thrown ball, lack of mobility, and lackadaisical 2 min drill.

[SBXVII]

I think I missed the part where McNabb admitted his roll? Or lack there of.

[T.O.Killa]

Interesting article about Shannahan. Reviewing The Conventional Wisdom On Mike Shanahan's Drafts

Here is how his offense would look with guy all under 30, and remember he had no 2009 draft.

•QB Jay Cutler
•RB Ryan Torain
•FB Peyton Hillis
•WR Brandon Marshall
•WR Eddie Royal
•WR Brandon Banks
•TE Tony Scheffler
•LT Ryan Clady
•C Kory Lichtensteiger
•RT Trent Williams

[jsnyder03]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Playing for Shanny is more like do what he says and Comply...and forget your individuality...he doesn't seem to care....he just wants 100% compliance. This can be demorilizing to some since it would be nice to have a boss that cares about you personally, like Zorn seemed to and Gibbs before him. Shanny seems to be even harsher than Shottenheimer.
But Shotty seemed to get every bit out of his players, while Shanny doesn't seem to.

I don't think there is one thing in this paragraph that I would agree with!

While far from perfect, I think Shanny does get the max from his players, the ones who are not "bad apples" like playing for him, he does seem to care and will work with individuals, but does not let the inmates run the asylum.

Zorn is included in the list of coaches who are better?

You got me scratching my head!

[SFREDSKIN]

For the OL, they should look at this local guy that played for Stanford and looked pretty good.

Player Bio: Andrew Phillips - Stanford University's Official Athletic Site

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by jsnyder03

I don't think there is one thing in this paragraph that I would agree with!

While far from perfect, I think Shanny does get the max from his players, the ones who are not "bad apples" like playing for him, he does seem to care and will work with individuals, but does not let the inmates run the asylum.

Zorn is included in the list of coaches who are better?

You got me scratching my head!

I think where the difference in thought is some people expected more and got less, others don't like his "my way or the highway" mentality, and others feel you have to make exceptions to some players cause not all situations are alike.

keep in mind, first and formost, Snyder brought M.Shanahan in to be HC to not only coach the team but to instill discipline. Shanahan has even admitted that was part of the discussion between him and Snyder. So blame Shanahan all everyone wants but he was requested to do a job and is getting paid to do it. I'd think if Snyder had an issue with how his star players are being treated he would address it or fire Shanahan. I just think everyone is making a big deal about how certain players were handled during the season.

Remember when Caughlin was hired by the Giants? some players were grumbling, others accepted it. Look were it got them. Be on time to meetings or get fined. Practice hard or don't play on Sun. and anyone who doesn't like the program can leave.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Interesting article about Shannahan. Reviewing The Conventional Wisdom On Mike Shanahan's Drafts

Here is how his offense would look with guy all under 30, and remember he had no 2009 draft.

•QB Jay Cutler
•RB Ryan Torain
•FB Peyton Hillis
•WR Brandon Marshall
•WR Eddie Royal
•WR Brandon Banks
•TE Tony Scheffler
•LT Ryan Clady
•C Kory Lichtensteiger
•RT Trent Williams

Umm, I'll take this team. lol. I don't know about Lichtensteiger playing Center though.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

They played some of their best football against Jacksonville when Orakpo was not playing. Of course, I'm not saying they're a better team without Orakpo. But without him they were more unpredictable. I believe they need someone who can line up on the opposite side of Orakpo and inflict much of the same damage he can.

This was absolutely, 100% my takeaway from the season. Orakpo, in the current defense, may be more of a liability than an asset. But that's not the fault of Orakpo: he's one of the true young pass rushing studs in this league. We could pair him with a guy like Lamarr Woodley and have a much stronger pass rushing unit. Woodley will probably be franchised by the Steelers which means we're looking to the draft to find that guy.

It's just a lone defensive need. We'll need a free safety too at some point, but honestly, if we just wanted to stick Kareem Moore out there again and admit that the defense is a work in progress because Kareem Moore kind of sucks, I think that second pass rusher will go a lot further. Free safety can be addressed when we have more picks. Sure would like to have Nate Allen on this team right now.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This was absolutely, 100% my takeaway from the season. Orakpo, in the current defense, may be more of a liability than an asset. But that's not the fault of Orakpo: he's one of the true young pass rushing studs in this league. We could pair him with a guy like Lamarr Woodley and have a much stronger pass rushing unit. Woodley will probably be franchised by the Steelers which means we're looking to the draft to find that guy.

It's just a lone defensive need. We'll need a free safety too at some point, but honestly, if we just wanted to stick Kareem Moore out there again and admit that the defense is a work in progress because Kareem Moore kind of sucks, I think that second pass rusher will go a lot further. Free safety can be addressed when we have more picks. Sure would like to have Nate Allen on this team right now.

I agree. To me it's one reason I am not a fan of the 3-4 for this team. Orakpo's beastness is in pass-rushing...so it's what they do with him 99% of the time. It's super predictable. If we ran a base 4-3 with him at end at least then, theoretically, the predictability is negated somehow by the scheme. Not a big thing but unless we do get someone else like you say and then randomize their pass rushing we'll be predictable.

[Terpfan76]

Orakpo is playing his first year in a 3-4. Give him time to fully digest the system. While Orakpo only managed 1.5 sacks after the bye, it should be no surprise that that's about the same time that Landry went down. Add another rush linebacker and just imagine what could happen. Orakpo we'll be a star in this defense, if the front office will give Haslett enough time to develop it.

[44ever]

Those who like Cam Newton in 2011 should have a look at this:
Cam X-rayed - CBSSports.com
Auburn coach Gene Chizik did not elaborate early Tuesday on what could be a significant injury to quarterback Cam Newton in Monday night's championship game

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Those who like Cam Newton in 2011 should have a look at this:
Cam X-rayed - CBSSports.com
Auburn coach Gene Chizik did not elaborate early Tuesday on what could be a significant injury to quarterback Cam Newton in Monday night's championship game

Good. One more reason for the Skins to think about NOT drafting him.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

I'm a big Kellan Moore fan too. He's either going to be the next Drew Brees or the next Ty Detmer. It's almost impossible to forecast which one he'll be more akin to.

He'll be good, believe me. He's very very smart. Supposedly he studies film like Peyton Manning. He studies Boise's play book so well that he not only knows what he's supposed to do, but were the FB is supposed to be, or which OLineman blocks which guy in which ever coverage for example.

The knock on him is a couple things.

1) He's short and frail. True, but he's the same height as Drew Brees and about the same weight.

2) He doesn't have a strong arm. False. I watched him throw a 60 + yard pass to Titus Young so accurate to where only Titus could catch it, and it was in perfect stride.

3) He doesn't have a quick delivery. I don't know about this one, some passes he'll float some in the air and you'll be like "Ohh that could have been picked" other passes he'll throw it like Ryan Mallet and you'll say "Damn that was a bullet"


I know a lot of people on this board is going to think I'm crazy or stupid for saying this, but if I were Shanahan, I wouldn't bother with a QB this year (unless Mallet falls to us, Locker is there in the second, or Luck just miraculously decides that he does want to go pro) and I would just draft other players of need. And in the 2012 draft, I would get Moore at whatever cost (unless we're in perfect position to get Luck, which I can't foresee happening.)

[Chico23231]

I think if we take a QB, the 2nd round pick would probably be best used to vs the talent that will be there. I think Mallet is worth a look at 10...everyone else probably not. Mallet probably will be gone.

If there has every been a year to trade down out of the 10th, its this year.