Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2)

GTripp0012 · 03-19-2011, 09:40 PM

This is why I believe people need to stop making excuses for Hall:

He signed with us around his 25th birthday, and even though he was jettisoned from Oakland, he was a good pickup for the rest of that season (though Vinny cut valuable depth at the same position to get him), because he played really well and Smoot was a big problem. It's not Hall's fault that Vinny overpaid the market for Hall.

But he turned 26 in 2009 and 27 in 2010. And he wasn't good either year. Theoretically, however, those should have been his best years in coverage. If Hall was capable of playing with the focus he showed in the 2008 season for us, he might have justified his contract value. But this guy was a first round talent who two organizations gave up on. The fact that Vinny paid out and Hall went back to being the player he always was shouldn't have come as a surprise.

Either that's a character flaw in Hall - he can only focus on the task at hand when money is an issue, or it's not a flaw in character, but that his lack of game to game focus is more of who DeAngelo Hall is -- and has always been.

And neither line of reasoning is going to save the Redskins pass defense next year. That will take drastic measures: separating from the poor performers and aggressively trying to replace them with young talent in the front seven. Of course, that would all come at the expense of the offense, which is why I believe Hall will uphold the status quo for one more season.

skinsfaninok · 03-19-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 44ever

I didn't hear anyone complaining about our season opener.

– DeAngelo Hall returned a fumble for a score and Graham Gano kicked two field goals, as the Redskins held on to edge the Cowboys, 13-7.

We can all thank D.Hall for the only win of the season that actually counted for anything. (Beating the Cowboys)

NO 44! Hall haters don't care if he beat Dallas remember?????????

SFREDSKIN · 03-19-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

NO 44! Hall haters don't care if he beat Dallas remember?????????

And Gano had 3 game winning FG's.

GTripp0012 · 03-19-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

NO 44! Hall haters don't care if he beat Dallas remember?????????

Wasn't Hall the only player to allow a TD pass in that game?

skinsfaninok · 03-19-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Wasn't Hall the only player to allow a TD pass in that game?

Yes to Austin but he still made the biggest play of the game..

GTripp0012 · 03-19-2011, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yes to Austin but he still made the biggest play of the game..

He did do that.

Surely though, the heroics in that game belong to Brian Orakpo. If any one player beat Dallas in that game, it was 98.

Swarley · 03-20-2011, 02:59 AM

I for one, saw what I expected from dhall in pass coverage this year. An up and down player. I'm fine with it though because we clearly are starving for players on D that can take anything the other way.

What I didnt expect from Dhall was just how much his tackling improved. He made a ton of key tackles and for the most part was one of the better tacklers on our team. Crazy that I'm saying that about DeAngelo.... lol

bedlamVR · 03-20-2011, 05:02 AM

I think the hate for D Hall is way out of hand . He is what he always has been a gambler . The problem is last season is the D as a whole was not clicking . If you have a gambler like Hall out there you need a mop up FS which is what we were missing so Halls misses don't kill you .

The reason I think we should resign Rogers is because he is a decent complement to Hall .

Barnes - I really don't understand the love . He is a 3rd year player who got to start 4 games in his career all at FS . Tyron was better .

NC_Skins · 03-20-2011, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 44ever

DeAngelo Hall returned a fumble for a score and Graham Gano kicked two field goals, as the Redskins held on to edge the Cowboys, 13-7.

We can all thank D.Hall for the only win of the season that actually counted for anything. (Beating the Cowboys)

It was D. Hall that gave up their one score. Also, on the last play of the game, Roy Williams scored a game winning touchdown that was negated by a holding call. If they were in fact playing zone, guess who got beat again? Yup. DeAngelo Hall.

Also, the mere fact he recovered a fumble recovery is pure luck. The act of stripping it is skill, the fumble recovery is pure luck. Regardless, it wasn't his abilities as a Cover Corner that scored that TD.

So we can thank D. Hall for the win and just disregard Gano FG's?

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Originally Posted by jamf

Revis and Newman are on the list too. I would love to have both of those guys.

The Redskins had very little pressure all year and the worst free safety play in the league. I'm shocked that Rogers isn't on the list...

You realize that Revis was ranked #1 in success rate.
FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Best Cornerback Charting Stats 2010

He only rated bad on YAC. He doesn't give up much, but seems that WRs get yards after the catch to a tune of 4.7. He still only gave up a outstanding 5.6 yards per pass. D. Hall didnt' sniff the top stats on any of the "Best of" list. He did however manage to be top 3 in all the worst categories.

As far as the Cowboys, you realize they rank poorly in pass defense right? (26th in 2010, and 20th in 2009)This coincides with the rankings as well.
NFL Stats: by Team Category

I posted stats in the other D. Hall thread from the 2007 season I believe that showed C. Rogers being one of the best in terms of coverage.

KLHJ2 · 03-20-2011, 01:22 PM

DeAngelo Hall must be on that new drug called "Charlie Sheen" because he sure does "win" a lot for a person who contains so much suck.

NFL Player "Win"
Starter "Win"
Funble Recovery "Win"
Touchdowns "Win"
Interceptions "Win"
Pro Bowl "Win"
Pro Bowl MVP "Win"
Extra Pro Bowl Cash "Win"
Lucrative Contract "Win"
Winning "Win"

Must make you hate your life huh?

SmootSmack · 03-20-2011, 06:32 PM

I'll just restate what I've said in the past...Rogers is like the good friend you go to the movies and dinner with and always have a good time but you hope for something more. He'll tease you and make you think maybe this is the night, but you go home thinking well that was nice, but I feel a bit unsatisfied. Hall is Champagne with the fishnet stockings, 6 inch high-heels, and possibly a missing tooth on the corner of 14th and T Streets, NW at 1am. You may go home with a disease, but at least you know you'll get something out of Champagne

skinsfaninok · 03-20-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'll just restate what I've said in the past...Rogers is like the good friend you go to the movies and dinner with and always have a good time but you hope for something more. He'll tease you and make you think maybe this is the night, but you go home thinking well that was nice, but I feel a bit unsatisfied. Hall is Champagne with the fishnet stockings, 6 inch high-heels, and possibly a missing tooth on the corner of 14th and T Streets, NW at 1am. You may go home with a disease, but at least you know you'll get something out of Champagne

Bad experiences?

44ever · 03-20-2011, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'll just restate what I've said in the past...Rogers is like the good friend you go to the movies and dinner with and always have a good time but you hope for something more. He'll tease you and make you think maybe this is the night, but you go home thinking well that was nice, but I feel a bit unsatisfied. Hall is Champagne with the fishnet stockings, 6 inch high-heels, and possibly a missing tooth on the corner of 14th and T Streets, NW at 1am. You may go home with a disease, but at least you know you'll get something out of Champagne

Thats just wrong man.

firstdown · 03-20-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So it's fine if he beat two teams by himself and shit all over himself the other 14 games. YEAH!!!

ESPN 980 - WASHINGTON D.C.

So the score is now 4-2 in favor of games lost over games won. So much for that being a valid reason as to why he's good.

Funny you picked one of the best QB's and WR's in the NFL to support your argument. You also used a play where he slipped which is not fair.

3Card · 03-20-2011, 08:23 PM

Football outsiders = Over Rated

03-19-2011, 09:40 PM	#46
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2) This is why I believe people need to stop making excuses for Hall: He signed with us around his 25th birthday, and even though he was jettisoned from Oakland, he was a good pickup for the rest of that season (though Vinny cut valuable depth at the same position to get him), because he played really well and Smoot was a big problem. It's not Hall's fault that Vinny overpaid the market for Hall. But he turned 26 in 2009 and 27 in 2010. And he wasn't good either year. Theoretically, however, those should have been his best years in coverage. If Hall was capable of playing with the focus he showed in the 2008 season for us, he might have justified his contract value. But this guy was a first round talent who two organizations gave up on. The fact that Vinny paid out and Hall went back to being the player he always was shouldn't have come as a surprise. Either that's a character flaw in Hall - he can only focus on the task at hand when money is an issue, or it's not a flaw in character, but that his lack of game to game focus is more of who DeAngelo Hall is -- and has always been. And neither line of reasoning is going to save the Redskins pass defense next year. That will take drastic measures: separating from the poor performers and aggressively trying to replace them with young talent in the front seven. Of course, that would all come at the expense of the offense, which is why I believe Hall will uphold the status quo for one more season. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

03-20-2011, 02:59 AM	#52
Swarley The Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 36 Posts: 1,092	Re: Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2) I for one, saw what I expected from dhall in pass coverage this year. An up and down player. I'm fine with it though because we clearly are starving for players on D that can take anything the other way. What I didnt expect from Dhall was just how much his tackling improved. He made a ton of key tackles and for the most part was one of the better tacklers on our team. Crazy that I'm saying that about DeAngelo.... lol

03-20-2011, 05:02 AM	#53
bedlamVR Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 389	Re: Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2) I think the hate for D Hall is way out of hand . He is what he always has been a gambler . The problem is last season is the D as a whole was not clicking . If you have a gambler like Hall out there you need a mop up FS which is what we were missing so Halls misses don't kill you . The reason I think we should resign Rogers is because he is a decent complement to Hall . Barnes - I really don't understand the love . He is a 3rd year player who got to start 4 games in his career all at FS . Tyron was better .

03-20-2011, 01:22 PM	#55
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 47 Posts: 5,829	Re: Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2) DeAngelo Hall must be on that new drug called "Charlie Sheen" because he sure does "win" a lot for a person who contains so much suck. NFL Player "Win" Starter "Win" Funble Recovery "Win" Touchdowns "Win" Interceptions "Win" Pro Bowl "Win" Pro Bowl MVP "Win" Extra Pro Bowl Cash "Win" Lucrative Contract "Win" Winning "Win" Must make you hate your life huh?

03-20-2011, 06:32 PM	#56
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2) I'll just restate what I've said in the past...Rogers is like the good friend you go to the movies and dinner with and always have a good time but you hope for something more. He'll tease you and make you think maybe this is the night, but you go home thinking well that was nice, but I feel a bit unsatisfied. Hall is Champagne with the fishnet stockings, 6 inch high-heels, and possibly a missing tooth on the corner of 14th and T Streets, NW at 1am. You may go home with a disease, but at least you know you'll get something out of Champagne __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-20-2011, 08:23 PM	#60
3Card Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 16	Re: Football Outsiders: Worst rated CBs in the NFL in 2010 (DeAngelo ranked #2) Football outsiders = Over Rated

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