Draft Contest, What Would You Have Done?

skinsguy · 04-25-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by offiss

In Case you didn't notice we couldn't run the ball last year,

Clinton Portis had over 1,300 yards last year and Betts wasn't too shabby when he came in?

itvnetop · 04-25-2005, 07:20 PM

#9 Mike Williams
#25 Marlin Jackson (you look at how he fared at Michigan and i have no doubt he would have been fine in GW's system)

ArringtonRules · 04-25-2005, 07:28 PM

#9 Carlos Rogers (we needed a top CB) though I must admit passing on Mike Williams at this position is really hard
#25 Whichever top DE or DL was available

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Originally Posted by itvnetop

#9 Mike Williams
#25 Marlin Jackson (you look at how he fared at Michigan and i have no doubt he would have been fine in GW's system)

offiss · 04-26-2005, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Clinton Portis had over 1,300 yards last year and Betts wasn't too shabby when he came in?

1 yard at a time, we couldn't get to the line of scrimmage on short yardage plays.

I do think Betts ran harder than Portis though. Portis is not built to run between the tackles he needs a trapping style offense.

Big C · 04-26-2005, 02:08 AM

1st round 9 pick- Carlos Rogers, i have no problem with this pick at all, didnt need the big names
1st round 25- no1 here i would have traded future 1st rounder for...but either Heath Miller or Chris Spencer, to play guard. Bugel could probably make a monster out of him
4th round- Stefan Lefors, to groom as a solid backup. incredibly accurate, just short really and not a huge arm
5th round- Larry Brackens, huge WR as a project
6th round- Jovan Haye, solid DE id seen goin as high as the 3rd round
7th round- Broughton is a good pick i think as the goal line back

TheMalcolmConnection · 04-26-2005, 08:29 AM

I still would have liked to see the Skins take Rod Flowers. He could be the next Antonio Gates. I'm sure they could still sign him to the practice squad.

skinsguy · 04-26-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

1 yard at a time, we couldn't get to the line of scrimmage on short yardage plays.

I do think Betts ran harder than Portis though. Portis is not built to run between the tackles he needs a trapping style offense.

Still, Portis gained over 1300 yards rushing and we all know that wasn't because we only ran him in zone blocking run plays...

The short yardage plays are the reason why we DRAFTED A BIG GUY!!!! Even in the 80's and 90's, Gibbs had his big backs that came in to gain those tough yards....this draft shows that Gibbs' philosophy hasn't changed.

SmootSmack · 04-26-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by itvnetop

#9 Mike Williams
#25 Marlin Jackson (you look at how he fared at Michigan and i have no doubt he would have been fine in GW's system)

I like that

RedskinsJunkie · 04-26-2005, 09:39 PM

I would have loved M. Williams and taken a Corner with the 25th pick. They could have gotten the same value with Adrian MCPherson in the 5th round than they will get with Campbell in the first.

Daseal · 04-26-2005, 09:56 PM

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Still, Portis gained over 1300 yards rushing and we all know that wasn't because we only ran him in zone blocking run plays...

He also touched the ball more than most other backs in the league and had a rather stingy 3.8 yards a carry. That was running in a poor offensive scheme, if we let him touch the ball that many times and actually let him play how he feels comfortable it may not matter if they stack the box!

RedskinsJunkie · 04-26-2005, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Still, Portis gained over 1300 yards rushing and we all know that wasn't because we only ran him in zone blocking run plays...

The short yardage plays are the reason why we DRAFTED A BIG GUY!!!! Even in the 80's and 90's, Gibbs had his big backs that came in to gain those tough yards....this draft shows that Gibbs' philosophy hasn't changed.

I really know nothing about the FB we drafted, but I do remember back in the day when Byner would get you all the way down to the one and G. RIGGS would hammer it home. Also the HOGS dominated back then... For God's sake we had a 40+ year old on the line last year...

drew54 · 04-26-2005, 10:29 PM

Lets be honest here I would have never made the trade for 25.

I would have tried to moved down from 9, and if i could have gotten a later one and a two then I would have drafted as follows.

Day One

1. Best Rogers or best WR
2. Best Matt Roth, DE, Iowa
3. Best Ellis Hobbs III, CB, Iowa State, even if we got Rogers

Day Two- Same Trade with Minnesota

4. Manuel White Jr, RB,UCLA
5. Robert McCune, MLB, Louisville
Trade 6 and 7 to move up and get Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin

On my homer picks.

Hobbs has awesome feet and will be a great nickle DB and special teams player for a few years to come. I also like Matt Roth, he has a great motor and a lot of heart. Not the smartest guy in the world but he will give his all every down.

I dont know why Anttaj Hawthorne fell so far, but he will be a great road block at NT.

On my same as Gibbs picks.
White has great size and will be a great goal line back. Lets face it Portis isn't going to move the pile in those short yardage situations. McCune is a freaking MONSTER. He will be a great MLB, and I think he could be starting for us if Barrow cant stay healthy.

drew54 · 04-26-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinsJunkie

I would have loved M. Williams and taken a Corner with the 25th pick. They could have gotten the same value with Adrian MCPherson in the 5th round than they will get with Campbell in the first.

Agreed, but he is not a Character player. And blame Sean Taylor, but I think Gibbs will never draft another "U" type ME first player.

skinsguy · 04-27-2005, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by RedskinsJunkie

I really know nothing about the FB we drafted, but I do remember back in the day when Byner would get you all the way down to the one and G. RIGGS would hammer it home. Also the HOGS dominated back then... For God's sake we had a 40+ year old on the line last year...

Yeah, but he came in and did what we expected him to. This year, we're getting Jansen; in addition with a better center (hopefully). I wouldn't mind seeing us picking up some big guys for a heavy jumbo package.

skinsguy · 04-27-2005, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

He also touched the ball more than most other backs in the league and had a rather stingy 3.8 yards a carry. That was running in a poor offensive scheme, if we let him touch the ball that many times and actually let him play how he feels comfortable it may not matter if they stack the box!

Well, first of all, it wasn't a poor offensive scheme. Secondly, if Portis is unhappy with how much he's going to be used (which sounds kind of stupid in my opinion), then he doesn't belong in Washington. This scheme relies on a run first approach and run often in order to control the ball and the clock. If this was actually a poor scheme, then Gibbs would have never been successful in his first tenure - and the excuse that football was different back then is hog wash.

Our offensive line had alot to do with Portis not gaining 10+ yards per carry.

04-25-2005, 07:20 PM	#17
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 48 Posts: 3,007	Re: Draft Contest, What Would You Have Done? #9 Mike Williams #25 Marlin Jackson (you look at how he fared at Michigan and i have no doubt he would have been fine in GW's system)

04-26-2005, 02:08 AM	#20
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	Re: Draft Contest, What Would You Have Done? 1st round 9 pick- Carlos Rogers, i have no problem with this pick at all, didnt need the big names 1st round 25- no1 here i would have traded future 1st rounder for...but either Heath Miller or Chris Spencer, to play guard. Bugel could probably make a monster out of him 4th round- Stefan Lefors, to groom as a solid backup. incredibly accurate, just short really and not a huge arm 5th round- Larry Brackens, huge WR as a project 6th round- Jovan Haye, solid DE id seen goin as high as the 3rd round 7th round- Broughton is a good pick i think as the goal line back __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

04-26-2005, 08:29 AM	#21
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Draft Contest, What Would You Have Done? I still would have liked to see the Skins take Rod Flowers. He could be the next Antonio Gates. I'm sure they could still sign him to the practice squad. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

04-26-2005, 09:39 PM	#24
RedskinsJunkie Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Connecticut Age: 50 Posts: 128	Re: Draft Contest, What Would You Have Done? I would have loved M. Williams and taken a Corner with the 25th pick. They could have gotten the same value with Adrian MCPherson in the 5th round than they will get with Campbell in the first.

04-26-2005, 10:29 PM	#27
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 42 Posts: 1,324	Re: Draft Contest, What Would You Have Done? Lets be honest here I would have never made the trade for 25. I would have tried to moved down from 9, and if i could have gotten a later one and a two then I would have drafted as follows. Day One 1. Best Rogers or best WR 2. Best Matt Roth, DE, Iowa 3. Best Ellis Hobbs III, CB, Iowa State, even if we got Rogers Day Two- Same Trade with Minnesota 4. Manuel White Jr, RB,UCLA 5. Robert McCune, MLB, Louisville Trade 6 and 7 to move up and get Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin On my homer picks. Hobbs has awesome feet and will be a great nickle DB and special teams player for a few years to come. I also like Matt Roth, he has a great motor and a lot of heart. Not the smartest guy in the world but he will give his all every down. I dont know why Anttaj Hawthorne fell so far, but he will be a great road block at NT. On my same as Gibbs picks. White has great size and will be a great goal line back. Lets face it Portis isn't going to move the pile in those short yardage situations. McCune is a freaking MONSTER. He will be a great MLB, and I think he could be starting for us if Barrow cant stay healthy.

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