What If?

offiss · 05-01-2005, 09:20 PM

What happen's if Ramsey come's out firing this season and becomes the QB some of us envision, he then becomes the unquestionable starter, and the skins are now his team, what do we do? No doubt he will want to break the bank at this point, and I can't blame him, as well as having a #1 pick sitting on the bench for who know's how long. The Campbell pick is predicated on Ramsey failing. If he succeed's?

BossHog · 05-01-2005, 09:37 PM

No doubt about it. We would have to trade Ramsey. One, because Ramsey has value. And two, because Brunell doesn't. Plus, you got to have a veteran QB on your roster. And no, Ramsey is not a veteran. Teams would look at a proposed trade for Campbell but, they would want to see him play more against NFL competition before they trade for him.

SKINSnCANES · 05-01-2005, 09:51 PM

that would be amazing if Ramsey succeeds becuaes that means that we will have done well this year, which is clearly what all of us should want. Having two good qbs is a great problem to have.

Gmanc711 · 05-01-2005, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BossHog

No doubt about it. We would have to trade Ramsey. One, because Ramsey has value. And two, because Brunell doesn't. Plus, you got to have a veteran QB on your roster. And no, Ramsey is not a veteran. Teams would look at a proposed trade for Campbell but, they would want to see him play more against NFL competition before they trade for him.

You dont trade Ramsey. Absolutley not; look at San Diego this year... they did the smart thing. Rivers is the unproven commodity, and they have a perfectly good team; and you dont mess that up. If Ramsey came out and became the guy we would all love him to be, you cant trade him and replace him with an unproven guy like Campbell. I dont care if we wasted the first round pick or not, you dont mess with a team like that if its succeeding and a guy is finally clicking in the system. I would say if this happened, you keep Ramsey the one more year of his contract and make sure he is not a one year wonder, and then if he keeps it up, you sign him big and do somthing with Campbell. I think alot of people are under the impression that this is Ramseys last year of his contract (not anyone in perticular, i just get that vibe); but he'll still be around in 2006. Of course I would love for this scenerio to play out this way, and I hope Ramsey has a very good year.

SKINSnCANES · 05-01-2005, 10:20 PM

I like campbell and think he has more potential. And I wish he would just start week one. But hes not going to, and its probably best becuase in general rookies arent ready. But I dont want ramsey to just suck so we put in campbell becuase im tired of us losing. If Ramsey is our guy then I hope he is a probowler.

skinsguy · 05-01-2005, 10:20 PM

If Ramsey shows us this year that he can be MontanaISH, then you keep him. Pay him for what he's worth if his contract is up. If it isn't, prepare for the future (contract), but make sure you keep Campbell as well. Unless Brunell show dramatic improvement, I think you have to cut him if he's not willing to accept third string.

PSUskinsfan11 · 05-01-2005, 11:26 PM

I could see Ramsey vs. Campbell being very similar to Brees vs. Rivers. If we could only get rid of Brunell.

Hijinx · 05-02-2005, 03:05 AM

This was sort of touched on the day of the draft. The only way i see Ramsey staying at the end of his contract is if there just isn't any team really after him. If I were PR I would bail. The Skins FO/coachs have shown no loyality or belief in him at all.

If he does pretty well this year he still could get pushed out of the way for the 5th year of his contract if the FO doesn't think they can resign. Plus there will be presure to show that they didn't waste all those picks on Campbell. I think the FO will really show what they are thinking by the size and scope of Campbells contract.

offiss · 05-02-2005, 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hijinx

This was sort of touched on the day of the draft. The only way i see Ramsey staying at the end of his contract is if there just isn't any team really after him. If I were PR I would bail. The Skins FO/coachs have shown no loyality or belief in him at all.

If he does pretty well this year he still could get pushed out of the way for the 5th year of his contract if the FO doesn't think they can resign. Plus there will be presure to show that they didn't waste all those picks on Campbell. I think the FO will really show what they are thinking by the size and scope of Campbells contract.

Yes and no, I think the only one in the organazation that hasen't been loyal to Ramsey is Gibbs, not that he owed Patrick anything, I just feel Gibbs pretty much brushed Patrick aside last year without giving him any real consideration. Remember Patrick is Danny's boy, he drafted him, Snyder also didn't want Brunell in here either, and in all liklyhood it was because he believed in Patrick, but as of now the organazation stop's with Gibbs, so yes Patrick has to do backflip's to get some respect from Gibbs.

BigSKINBauer · 05-02-2005, 06:14 AM

but if he stinks it up look at the money we save by cutting/trading him next year over 2 mil. It is a give and take but if he is good we resign him and if we can't afford it we don't sign him after his contract is over and if we get a trade next year that is a savings of 2 mil. i think we would resign him but if we can't afford him "what ya gonna do?"

BrudLee · 05-02-2005, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BossHog

No doubt about it. We would have to trade Ramsey. One, because Ramsey has value. And two, because Brunell doesn't. Plus, you got to have a veteran QB on your roster. And no, Ramsey is not a veteran. Teams would look at a proposed trade for Campbell but, they would want to see him play more against NFL competition before they trade for him.

If Ramsey starts every game this season, he will have 45 career starts. That's a veteran. He currently has a positive TD-to-INT ratio, something any coach would look for in a veteran QB (starter or backup). I want Ramsey to succeed as a Redskin more than anything, but it's wise to prepare for the possibility that he won't do so. Having a QB on the roster learning the offense and the speed of the league is a good thing.

dirtbag2112 · 05-02-2005, 09:24 AM

I'm way more hyped about this season than last year with the whole 'return of the king' episode. Ramsey has had (will have had) all offseason to learn,and coming off a strong finish in '04, hewil be the man.I truly believe he has the intellegence, confidence and talent to silence all of his doubters. And when I say doubters I mean everyone associated with the NFL.

firstdown · 05-02-2005, 09:47 AM

Why is it that so many people feel Ramsay has gotten such a bad rap from our coaches and front office. Is QB the only position that we don't want any competition. If we signe a few RB does Portis now feel threatend? I Don't think so. Ramsey is the starter and its his job to keep or loose. Last year Ramsey played poorly in preseason and could not keep his starting roll. He could not outperform burnell. Think of that he could not outperform Brunell in preseason . You can make the argument that his convidence was shaken but he was not competing against Manning. Its time for him to show that he is our starting QB and if he is unable to perform we have another QB who is not Brunell who we have start to groom. I am a Ramsey fan and would love to see him take that next step in his game but we do have to be prepared if he does not.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2005, 09:50 AM

I think the reason people feel that way is because Ramsey was brushed aside pretty soundly when Brunell came into town. I know it was an open competition in camp, but when you have an entrenched starter, I don't feel that should be the case.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2005, 09:51 AM

I know that Betts was also brushed aside when Portis showed up, but I don't recall Betts being drafted as our #1 back (even though I really like the way the guy runs).

05-01-2005, 09:37 PM	#2
BossHog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norfolk, Va Posts: 665	Re: What If? No doubt about it. We would have to trade Ramsey. One, because Ramsey has value. And two, because Brunell doesn't. Plus, you got to have a veteran QB on your roster. And no, Ramsey is not a veteran. Teams would look at a proposed trade for Campbell but, they would want to see him play more against NFL competition before they trade for him.

05-01-2005, 09:51 PM	#3
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	Re: What If? that would be amazing if Ramsey succeeds becuaes that means that we will have done well this year, which is clearly what all of us should want. Having two good qbs is a great problem to have. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

05-01-2005, 10:20 PM	#5
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	Re: What If? I like campbell and think he has more potential. And I wish he would just start week one. But hes not going to, and its probably best becuase in general rookies arent ready. But I dont want ramsey to just suck so we put in campbell becuase im tired of us losing. If Ramsey is our guy then I hope he is a probowler. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

05-01-2005, 10:20 PM	#6
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: What If? If Ramsey shows us this year that he can be MontanaISH, then you keep him. Pay him for what he's worth if his contract is up. If it isn't, prepare for the future (contract), but make sure you keep Campbell as well. Unless Brunell show dramatic improvement, I think you have to cut him if he's not willing to accept third string. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

05-01-2005, 11:26 PM	#7
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 40 Posts: 692	Re: What If? I could see Ramsey vs. Campbell being very similar to Brees vs. Rivers. If we could only get rid of Brunell.

05-01-2005, 09:20 PM	#1
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	What If? What happen's if Ramsey come's out firing this season and becomes the QB some of us envision, he then becomes the unquestionable starter, and the skins are now his team, what do we do? No doubt he will want to break the bank at this point, and I can't blame him, as well as having a #1 pick sitting on the bench for who know's how long. The Campbell pick is predicated on Ramsey failing. If he succeed's?

05-02-2005, 03:05 AM	#8
Hijinx The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 50 Posts: 1,961	Re: What If? This was sort of touched on the day of the draft. The only way i see Ramsey staying at the end of his contract is if there just isn't any team really after him. If I were PR I would bail. The Skins FO/coachs have shown no loyality or belief in him at all. If he does pretty well this year he still could get pushed out of the way for the 5th year of his contract if the FO doesn't think they can resign. Plus there will be presure to show that they didn't waste all those picks on Campbell. I think the FO will really show what they are thinking by the size and scope of Campbells contract. __________________ This is my signature, there are many like it, but this one is mine.

05-02-2005, 06:14 AM	#10
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 37 Posts: 5,688	Re: What If? but if he stinks it up look at the money we save by cutting/trading him next year over 2 mil. It is a give and take but if he is good we resign him and if we can't afford it we don't sign him after his contract is over and if we get a trade next year that is a savings of 2 mil. i think we would resign him but if we can't afford him "what ya gonna do?"

05-02-2005, 09:24 AM	#12
dirtbag2112 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 293	Re: What If? I'm way more hyped about this season than last year with the whole 'return of the king' episode. Ramsey has had (will have had) all offseason to learn,and coming off a strong finish in '04, hewil be the man.I truly believe he has the intellegence, confidence and talent to silence all of his doubters. And when I say doubters I mean everyone associated with the NFL.

05-02-2005, 09:47 AM	#13
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 61 Posts: 15,817	Re: What If? Why is it that so many people feel Ramsay has gotten such a bad rap from our coaches and front office. Is QB the only position that we don't want any competition. If we signe a few RB does Portis now feel threatend? I Don't think so. Ramsey is the starter and its his job to keep or loose. Last year Ramsey played poorly in preseason and could not keep his starting roll. He could not outperform burnell. Think of that he could not outperform Brunell in preseason . You can make the argument that his convidence was shaken but he was not competing against Manning. Its time for him to show that he is our starting QB and if he is unable to perform we have another QB who is not Brunell who we have start to groom. I am a Ramsey fan and would love to see him take that next step in his game but we do have to be prepared if he does not.

05-02-2005, 09:50 AM	#14
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: What If? I think the reason people feel that way is because Ramsey was brushed aside pretty soundly when Brunell came into town. I know it was an open competition in camp, but when you have an entrenched starter, I don't feel that should be the case. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-02-2005, 09:51 AM	#15
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: What If? I know that Betts was also brushed aside when Portis showed up, but I don't recall Betts being drafted as our #1 back (even though I really like the way the guy runs). __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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