The Passion of Christ

Ghost · 03-03-2004, 03:18 PM

cpayne ... Afganistan is one thing, Iraq is another. There simply was never any link between Saddam and Osama ... that's just BS the Bush Administration used to justify their war. Attacking Iraq was high on their list before 9/11 ... the unforgivable thing is that they've used a terrible tragedy like 9/11 to justify their actions. This was a power play for oil and money, and to make amends for Papa Bush's failures during the first Iraq war. These people in the White House are nothing short of criminals and I hope they go to jail someday (let's not forget about their Enron connections either).

Though I'm philosophically opposed to war, I can understand going after Bin Laden. There simply is no justification for attacking Iraq. None. Zero. The reasons we were given ... WMDs, al Qaeda link, possible 9/11 connection, attempts to obtain nuclear material ... were all proven false in time. Bush lied in his State of the Union address. Cheney berated CIA officials because their evidence concerning WMDs wasn't convincing enough. Essentially Bush/Cheney cooked the books. Now we're stuck in Iraq for 2-3 years or more and our troops will be targets for every fundamentalist fanatic in the world. It's Vietnam. Our soldiers and the Iraqi people will now pay the price for the Bush Administration's greed and foolishness. As Americans, we have a duty to question our leaders and not follow them blindly. It's an American tradition to distrust our politicians but in this instance most of us have failed in our duty. We have become fat, entitled and lazy because we are too comfortable. We are also very, very selfish.

It's true that Jesus didn't let himself get pushed around but he NEVER used or condoned violence in any way. He was an incredibly strong and devout person and he was a pacifist. These characteristics are not contradictory, cpayne. The strongest thing you can do is handle a difficult situation without resorting to violence. A "christian" is someone who follows Christ's example, the way he lived his life. Too many people focus on the resurrection, which is meaningless if you don't buy into the teachings. My point is that a lot of people who claim to be christians are really far from it and that's a shame. It's not enough to go to church and put money in the basket. You have to really try to live your life like Jesus did and that's a really, really hard thing to do. Is it even realistic? I don't know but you have to try ... it's a spiritual ideal that christians must strive for every day ... if we fail sometimes that's okay, but we must keep trying. If someone thinks racist wars and pre-emptive invasions of sovereign countries is cool, that's fine. But it ain't exactly christian, is it?

03-03-2004, 03:18 PM	#15
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	cpayne ... Afganistan is one thing, Iraq is another. There simply was never any link between Saddam and Osama ... that's just BS the Bush Administration used to justify their war. Attacking Iraq was high on their list before 9/11 ... the unforgivable thing is that they've used a terrible tragedy like 9/11 to justify their actions. This was a power play for oil and money, and to make amends for Papa Bush's failures during the first Iraq war. These people in the White House are nothing short of criminals and I hope they go to jail someday (let's not forget about their Enron connections either). Though I'm philosophically opposed to war, I can understand going after Bin Laden. There simply is no justification for attacking Iraq. None. Zero. The reasons we were given ... WMDs, al Qaeda link, possible 9/11 connection, attempts to obtain nuclear material ... were all proven false in time. Bush lied in his State of the Union address. Cheney berated CIA officials because their evidence concerning WMDs wasn't convincing enough. Essentially Bush/Cheney cooked the books. Now we're stuck in Iraq for 2-3 years or more and our troops will be targets for every fundamentalist fanatic in the world. It's Vietnam. Our soldiers and the Iraqi people will now pay the price for the Bush Administration's greed and foolishness. As Americans, we have a duty to question our leaders and not follow them blindly. It's an American tradition to distrust our politicians but in this instance most of us have failed in our duty. We have become fat, entitled and lazy because we are too comfortable. We are also very, very selfish. It's true that Jesus didn't let himself get pushed around but he NEVER used or condoned violence in any way. He was an incredibly strong and devout person and he was a pacifist. These characteristics are not contradictory, cpayne. The strongest thing you can do is handle a difficult situation without resorting to violence. A "christian" is someone who follows Christ's example, the way he lived his life. Too many people focus on the resurrection, which is meaningless if you don't buy into the teachings. My point is that a lot of people who claim to be christians are really far from it and that's a shame. It's not enough to go to church and put money in the basket. You have to really try to live your life like Jesus did and that's a really, really hard thing to do. Is it even realistic? I don't know but you have to try ... it's a spiritual ideal that christians must strive for every day ... if we fail sometimes that's okay, but we must keep trying. If someone thinks racist wars and pre-emptive invasions of sovereign countries is cool, that's fine. But it ain't exactly christian, is it?

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