Gameday Thread: Browns vs. Redskins

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

lol go ahead and start Manziel week 1, say hello to first pick in the draft

I hope he starts. I love to watch him go through those growing pains or pains he may never grow into a starting NFL QB.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I saw Ruhskins post a pic of this earlier. What happened on this play? It didn't look like he was hit in the above sequence.<snip>

Yeah, Rak and the gang trash-talked Johnny Foosball after running him out of bounds... basically told him he was a small fish in a big pond now, and hopefully some other things as well... and the very mature Manziel resorted to a petulant little gesture. What a class act.

Brian Orakpo: Johnny Manziel's gesture was 'hilarious' - NFL.com

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Yeah, Rak and the gang trash-talked Johnny Foosball after running him out of bounds... basically told him he was a small fish in a big pond now, and hopefully some other things as well... and the very mature Manziel resorted to a petulant little gesture. What a class act.

Brian Orakpo: Johnny Manziel's gesture was 'hilarious' - NFL.com

Also, right before the flip, he threw another incomplete pass, after being flushed out of the pocket.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

After watching the Browns game, I am concerned that RGIII might never "get it" and learn to protect himself on the run. As of today, unless this behavior of his changes, I expect him to be injured again this season while running and failing to get out of bounds or to slide in time to avoid a hit.

I'm sure that Robert understands the need to fix this problem on an intellectual level. But I suspect that what he does now is deeply ingrained in him and it has only become a behavioral problem now that he is in the NFL where he is competing against better athletes than he faced in college. Nevertheless, his behavior needs to change immediately if there is to be any hope of his playing a full season.

The Redskins coaching staff has failed to communicate to Robert the importance of protecting himself. Verbal communication hasn't worked. So now I think the staff needs to address this problem by replacing his current behavior with another learned behavior. To be specific, I think they should create special drills for him to practice exactly when to get out of bounds and when and how to slide. They should make him practice this over and over and correct him whenever he fails to adequately protect himself or slide properly during a drill. This needs to be a high priority and the staff needs to keep doing these drills until his behavior changes.

I'm serious about this. It is a major issue for Robert, this team, and the franchise. The coaching staff must teach him through repetition that the time for him to get out of bounds or slide is sooner than he is currently doing it.

I'm completely with you. As simple as the point is, RGIII just doesn't get it.

Gruden needs to take stringent measures. How 'bout fining Griff $25,000 for every time he takes a hit rather than getting down?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

They have a horrible qb situation, but imo manziel gives them the better chance to win. On top of that, they invested alot in him. They arent going to win many games no matter who starts so why not let your future begin now? Hoyer only threw six passes, I get that. However they were six bad ones. Jonny may not have handled the trash talk, but Hoyer cant handle the competition, and it showed. He looked nervous and on edge.
Edit : id rather have a kid with a chip on his shoulder who wants to win than a kid thats afraid to lose. Also before I get accused of calling Manziel great, im just saying he is better than Brian Hoyer. Lol

Maybe you're still jet lagged, but right now Manziel is not better than Hoyer. Hoyer and Manziel have been splitting reps, and that's going to affect any QB, especially one that hasn't played since October of last year (Hoyer).

If I'm Cleveland, I make Hoyer the starter, let him get reps with the first team for the rest of the season, and let Johnny Crybaby play with the second team (consistently) in the last two games. If they keep this up, they're going to be destroyed by the likes of Pittsburgh and Baltimore, no matter who's under center.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm completely with you. As simple as the point is, RGIII just doesn't get it.

Gruden needs to take stringent measures. How 'bout fining Griff $25,000 for every time he takes a hit rather than getting down?

Not to defend RG3, but having the right side (Chester/Polumbus) collapse on many plays, did not help the whole situation.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

Do this for me... go JOG and then slide... now SPRINT and then slide. Youll notice a difference.

Well, I'm 66 years old with a bad back... so, NO.

But i was was young once and fast. I played baseball and I slid a lot at high speed. He can do it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

After watching the Browns game, I am concerned that RGIII might never "get it" and learn to protect himself on the run. As of today, unless this behavior of his changes, I expect him to be injured again this season while running and failing to get out of bounds or to slide in time to avoid a hit.

I'm sure that Robert understands the need to fix this problem on an intellectual level. But I suspect that what he does now is deeply ingrained in him and it has only become a behavioral problem now that he is in the NFL where he is competing against better athletes than he faced in college. Nevertheless, his behavior needs to change immediately if there is to be any hope of his playing a full season.

The Redskins coaching staff has failed to communicate to Robert the importance of protecting himself. Verbal communication hasn't worked. So now I think the staff needs to address this problem by replacing his current behavior with another learned behavior. To be specific, I think they should create special drills for him to practice exactly when to get out of bounds and when and how to slide. They should make him practice this over and over and correct him whenever he fails to adequately protect himself or slide properly during a drill. This needs to be a high priority and the staff needs to keep doing these drills until his behavior changes.

I'm serious about this. It is a major issue for Robert, this team, and the franchise. The coaching staff must teach him through repetition that the time for him to get out of bounds or slide is sooner than he is currently doing it.

The coaches aren't babysitters! He's a grown ass man and a smart one. He knows what he needs to do and should take it upon himself to get down. Either he does it, or he gets hurt and misses games. That might be the only way he learns. Personally I think he's exactly like Vick. He'll never truly protect himself. It's just not in his nature slide naturally.

[Skins4L]

no push for Morris really from the OL either. How far away are our rookies because it was same story as last year, only this year Griffin has his wheels back and can get out of there. Now instead of getting blasted and criticized, he avoids it but gets criticized hes gonna end his career by not sliding. catch 22 for Robert griffin the 3rd.

[Skins4L]

how did Luavo do? I didn't like that as a "fix" there was no okay now were set moment for me there.

[tshile]

the nfl.com photo gallery for the game has some good pics you all may enjoy
NFL.com Photos - Browns Redskins Football - Ryan Kerrigan, Johnny Manziel

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

how did Luavo do? I didn't like that as a "fix" there was no okay now were set moment for me there.

Solid nothing spectacular. Overall an upgrade though with Kory a better fit at center.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

how did Luavo do? I didn't like that as a "fix" there was no okay now were set moment for me there.

I thought he played fine.

Not too concerned about the goal stance, thought we got in on 4th. We ran 3 vanilla runs in a row, don't expect the same during the season in the same situation. Plus Cleveland has respectable beef along the front dline unlike the giants, cowgurls and eagles.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

After watching the Browns game, I am concerned that RGIII might never "get it" and learn to protect himself on the run. As of today, unless this behavior of his changes, I expect him to be injured again this season while running and failing to get out of bounds or to slide in time to avoid a hit.



I'm sure that Robert understands the need to fix this problem on an intellectual level. But I suspect that what he does now is deeply ingrained in him and it has only become a behavioral problem now that he is in the NFL where he is competing against better athletes than he faced in college. Nevertheless, his behavior needs to change immediately if there is to be any hope of his playing a full season.



The Redskins coaching staff has failed to communicate to Robert the importance of protecting himself. Verbal communication hasn't worked. So now I think the staff needs to address this problem by replacing his current behavior with another learned behavior. To be specific, I think they should create special drills for him to practice exactly when to get out of bounds and when and how to slide. They should make him practice this over and over and correct him whenever he fails to adequately protect himself or slide properly during a drill. This needs to be a high priority and the staff needs to keep doing these drills until his behavior changes.



I'm serious about this. It is a major issue for Robert, this team, and the franchise. The coaching staff must teach him through repetition that the time for him to get out of bounds or slide is sooner than he is currently doing it.

I mentioned something along these lines a few weeks back. After one of the practices with the patriots Gruden mentioned how he would like to see RG get rid of the ball and go out of bounds more often.

When Griffin was asked about Grudens comments he said something along the lines of...it's practice so I want to continue the plays so receivers can work on scramble drills, in live games I'm going to do something different.

He needs to start listening to what these coaches have to say. He hasn't listened to much so far, and it makes me very nervous for the future. RG needs to have it pounded into his head how valuable he is to this team.

I think what needs to be done is have someone on the sideline at all practices with a whistle that blows the play dead the second he starts to run. That's the only way I see him able to break this style of play.

I really hope he learns how to play more effective throughout this year. Really need to see some vast improvement, there's no way he will last in the league very long playing like this.

[skinsfan69]

I wonder if Clev is regretting taking that fool and perhaps thinking they should have drafted Bridgewater. Forget that he's a dick for now, he doesn't look like he can actually play at the NFL level. There were easy routine throws last night that he just couldn't make. That would be my concern more than his shitty tiresome act.