RG3 and Gruden?

[Schneed10]

I think Robert comes from a military family where discipline and hard work are paramount. But his parents were sergeants, not colonels. I don't think his upbringing came with a lot of strategic or analytical thinking. His upbringing came with drive, determination, physical hard work (you hear stories about his dad pushing him in workouts, running hills, etc.). And you hear his motivational life lessons on Twitter and Facebook, he's very much a mind over matter kind of guy.

And his work ethic with the physical side, combined with his raw athleticism, was all he ever needed to succeed in high school and college. So naturally given his upbringing and his work habits, he focuses on the weight room and agility drills. He's never had to talk Xs and Os with a coach at the chalkboard. At least not at an advanced level.

Shanahan saw this, and designed a read option based offense that just required him to make one or two reads. Gruden needs him go through three or four reads. No surprise that we're seeing failure.

I don't think McVay and Gruden are lacking in the teaching of Xs and Os department. They're lacking in other areas, namely discipline. But sticking just to the QB training side, they're fine. Robert is the problem. He has to change and become more of a student of the game. I don't think he recognizes that though, so I think he'll continue to fail.

Kirk gets the Gruden offense. The teaching reached him. He's just a gun slinger and makes mistakes, then gets down on himself and has no gumption to rally.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think Robert comes from a military family where discipline and hard work are paramount. But his parents were sergeants, not colonels. I don't think his upbringing came with a lot of strategic or analytical thinking. His upbringing came with drive, determination, physical hard work (you hear stories about his dad pushing him in workouts, running hills, etc.). And you hear his motivational life lessons on Twitter and Facebook, he's very much a mind over matter kind of guy.

And his work ethic with the physical side, combined with his raw athleticism, was all he ever needed to succeed in high school and college. So naturally given his upbringing and his work habits, he focuses on the weight room and agility drills. He's never had to talk Xs and Os with a coach at the chalkboard. At least not at an advanced level.

Shanahan saw this, and designed a read option based offense that just required him to make one or two reads. Gruden needs him go through three or four reads. No surprise that we're seeing failure.

I don't think McVay and Gruden are lacking in the teaching of Xs and Os department. They're lacking in other areas, namely discipline. But sticking just to the QB training side, they're fine. Robert is the problem. He has to change and become more of a student of the game. I don't think he recognizes that though, so I think he'll continue to fail.

Kirk gets the Gruden offense. The teaching reached him. He's just a gun slinger and makes mistakes, then gets down on himself and has no gumption to rally.

I dont think RG's parent's jobs have anything to do with whether or not he's a hard worker.

Its funny how now everyone thinks the team needs more discipline, because another part of why JG was hired is because he's more of a players coach than Shanny the disciplinarian.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think RG's parent's jobs have anything to do with whether or not he's a hard worker.

First off, you're missing my point. I'm not saying he's not a hard worker. I'm saying he pours the hard work in the wrong ways. He works hard in the weight room and on the physical, but he hasn't worked hard as a student of the game. Steve Young's comments on that matter should not be dismissed, the guy knows Mike Shanahan quite closely.

And secondly, his parents' jobs are an indicator of who they are and what they value. Which in turn shapes the way you're brought up. Have you not read story after story about how RG3 and his father would be out pulling tires up hills, or doing wind sprints during family gatherings?

You know what stories you don't read about? RG3 holding endless chalkboard sessions with his coaches, or picking the brains of accomplished QBs.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

First off, you're missing my point. I'm not saying he's not a hard worker. I'm saying he pours the hard work in the wrong ways. He works hard in the weight room and on the physical, but he hasn't worked hard as a student of the game. Steve Young's comments on that matter should not be dismissed, the guy knows Mike Shanahan quite closely.

And secondly, his parents' jobs are an indicator of who they are and what they value. Which in turn shapes the way you're brought up. Have you not read story after story about how RG3 and his father would be out pulling tires up hills, or doing wind sprints during family gatherings?

You know what stories you don't read about? RG3 holding endless chalkboard sessions with his coaches, or picking the brains of accomplished QBs.

I'm picking up what you're dropping. But remember what someone said about RG really looking up to Rex for guidance, so I don't think it's that RG thinks he's above coaching/mentoring. Maybe he doesn't click well with everyone, not a crime or even a character flaw.

It still goes back to the HC knowing what/who he's got. Gruden missed on several things, finding a way to connect/mentor RG is a big one and what we all thought he was brought in to do.

Gruden's case would be a lot stronger if he had any success with another QB on the roster, or fielded an offense prepared to play.