Cousins to start 2015 Season

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

It seems many fans along with J are of the mindset you express above.

The flip side, which I'm sure is hard for you to see, is that while Griff isn't a fit for J that doesn't mean he's not a fit in another offense. And IF that is true then it would be a mistake to get rid of Griffin IF J (the reason Griff is gone) fails.

By keeping Griffin the team hedges against a J-Kirk failure.

The 5th year option is still an issue but outside of the money (which can be massaged) getting rid of Griff doesn't bring any gain on the football field.

I can completely see the flip side, but what offense can he run which will not result in him injuried? The key is keeping him healthy, that means every offense style which results in him taking a hit as a runner is out.

So tell me which scheme is that, because pocket passer is clearly out as well.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What NFL offense can he run at this point? If you're in your 4th year and and you're still struggling with adjusting protections and can't consistently play from the pocket then it doesn't matter what system is ran. Then factor in the injury history. Griffin is mostly likely done in the NFL within 1 or 2 years.

He should not sniff the field here and the Redskins were stupid fools to pick up that option.

I am with you, I think some of these guys truly believe the 2012 RG3 will magically resurface if put in the right offense. Here is why it isn't happening:

First, other than Russell Wilson the recent dual threat QBs that were going to revolutionize the quarterback position (RG3, Newton, Kaepernick) have had
their weaknesses exposed by defenses and failed to develop new skills.

Second, The 2012 RG3 had sprinter's speed and an explosive quick first step
which he used to buy more time and keep defense's honest. Injuries have taken away a lot of that speed and explosiveness.

Third, Robert has not acquired new skills to make up for the ones defenses
and injuries have diminished. Lacking pocket presence, putting his body in awkward positions before contact and no instinct to protect himself is guaranteed to lead to more injuries that will further erode his athleticism, the thing he relies on most.

For RG3 to be successful he would need to reinvent himself, learn
how to avoid the rush in the pocket by side stepping and stepping up, learn
how to position his body to minimize contact, and how to see the field better.
In the pocket he doesn't seem to make good choices. I would call him nothing
more than a major project. If you ran our 2012 offense in the 2015 NFL
with the 2015 RG3 he becomes a bug on a windshield in no time flat.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I can completely see the flip side, but what offense can he run which will not result in him injuried? The key is keeping him healthy, that means every offense style which results in him taking a hit as a runner is out.

So tell me which scheme is that, because pocket passer is clearly out as well.

Sure, we can get to this entirely different discussion about what offense and whatever else.

But first, I would like to get back to our discussion. What benefit does it bring on the field to have Griffin off the team? After all that's what our discussion was about. Looking at the flip side of booting Griffin off the team. If J and Kirk succeeds great, everyone parks everyone wins. But, if J and Kirk fail and we've also got rid of Griffin where's the benefit there?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Sure, we can get to this entirely different discussion about what offense and whatever else.

But first, I would like to get back to our discussion. What benefit does it bring on the field to have Griffin off the team? After all that's what our discussion was about. Looking at the flip side of booting Griffin off the team. If J and Kirk succeeds great, everyone parks everyone wins. But, if J and Kirk fail and we've also got rid of Griffin where's the benefit there?

16m+ in cap space to sign players that are good at their jobs, possibly 3m+ this year if someone bites on a trade (not likely). salary cap is a liquid asset that you can always turn into player contracts, and there's cap carryover now. you can't put him back on the field at that price. his knees would be holding the franchise hostage.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Why would a team build an entire offense around a guy that is as durable as a faberge egg, has become incredibly one dimensional, and has shown no progress in 3 years?

Kyle Shanahan did that already. Griffin broke, and the rest is history.

Now, after completely revamping personnel and coaching staff he can't adapt.

It's basically employing the exact opposite strategy Seattle build their depth and thus success with . Year after year they kept getting younger and deeper.

They also kept plugging in one QB after another until they found a gem in Wilson.

If I understand you correctly, you're advocating continually changing coaches, systems, and possibly personnel; all to accommodate the diminishing skill set of one player who had 1 good year?

Or, at least be willing to change all that if Kirk doesn't work out?

Wouldn't it be quicker, more cost effective, and ultimately more successful to just copy Seattle?

You raise some interesting questions that aren't in response to my post.

The post you responded was a discussion of where/what is the benefit of having Griffin off the team? Especially if J and Kirk fail?

I have no problem discussing the questions you raise but would also like to have the original intent of the post to which you responded addressed.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by That Guy

16m+ in cap space to sign players that are good at their jobs, possibly 3m+ this year if someone bites on a trade (not likely). salary cap is a liquid asset that you can always turn into player contracts, and there's cap carryover now. you can't put him back on the field at that price. his knees would be holding the franchise hostage.

You may have missed the post that sparked the current discussion but its this: The 5th year option is still an issue but outside of the money (which can be massaged) getting rid of Griff doesn't bring any gain on the football field.

So, yes the 5th year option is an issue.

But outside of that what is the benefit on the field of not having Griffin on the team, not on the field but on the team?

How does Griffin being gone make the team better?

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Sure, we can get to this entirely different discussion about what offense and whatever else.

But first, I would like to get back to our discussion. What benefit does it bring on the field to have Griffin off the team? After all that's what our discussion was about. Looking at the flip side of booting Griffin off the team. If J and Kirk succeeds great, everyone parks everyone wins. But, if J and Kirk fail and we've also got rid of Griffin where's the benefit there?

It removes a big distraction. The guy I saw looking away and rolling his eyes during QB meetings with coaches on the sidelines at the Jax game isn't someone I would want on my team. Then there is everything else,
other than Archie Manning what father of an NFL QB is better known than RG2 and that isn't a good thing. What he says to reporters makes you wonder
how he had such a high grade point average in school. He isn't worth the BS
that comes with him for a back-up QB.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Ok thanks good to know. I remember Allen saying total control over player personnel and never really saying anything about coaches, so I was left to wonder. Nice to know from someone in the know, thanks Smoot.

Glad Smoot answered this as well, but I specifically remember one press conference earlier this year when that specific question was asked. Needless to say he was very vague about "personnel" as it relates to coaches/staff. He was pretty much putting it out there that HE was the one in charge of that decision. I remember being livid because I was thinking "exactly what has changed", and thought at the time it was going to be a cluster fuck with one guy (BA) in charge of coaching decisions and one guy (SM) in charge of player personnel.

[CRedskinsRule]

There is zero on field benefit to Griffin being on this team and there is no circumstance where his being on the field as the qb of the skins improves this team. None, zero, zilch, nada. He brings no value to the offense at all. Hence he should be gone. Basically its addition by subtraction. If he is gone we can bring in a 53rd guy who can sit on the bench just as well as Griffin can, but no media guy will ask 10 questions of joe schmo backup dude.

Sent from my S6 Edge

[SmootSmack]

I mean Scot reports to Allen, but if there is an HC change Scot will lead that and expect that HC to pick his staff

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I mean Scot reports to Allen, but if there is an HC change Scot will lead that and expect that HC to pick his staff

See this is a problem. Scott should be reporting to Dan. Period. As long as Bruce Allen is around, there is high chance this shit is going to blow up.
Fuck you Snyder.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

See this is a problem. Scott should be reporting to Dan. Period. As long as Bruce Allen is around, there is high chance this shit is going to blow up.
Fuck you Snyder.

Actually, this removes the owner farther from football decisions IMO. I'm fine with Allen and McC making football decision: Allen brings his money management knowledge and McC the football knowledge.

Maybe think a little bit before ranting the same ol' thing?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I mean Scot reports to Allen, but if there is an HC change Scot will lead that and expect that HC to pick his staff

It's cool that the HC now gets to pick his staff. That's a change from the dumb ways of Snyder and Bruce and Vinny

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

There is zero on field benefit to Griffin being on this team and there is no circumstance where his being on the field as the qb of the skins improves this team. None, zero, zilch, nada. He brings no value to the offense at all. Hence he should be gone. Basically its addition by subtraction. If he is gone we can bring in a 53rd guy who can sit on the bench just as well as Griffin can, but no media guy will ask 10 questions of joe schmo backup dude.

Sent from my S6 Edge

and the team can move forward. RG3 at this point is nothing but a distraction and can only hurt the team focus. I don't see a scenario that justifies carrying him on the roster. One guy will never make a team but one certainly can destroy one..

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You may have missed the post that sparked the current discussion but its this: The 5th year option is still an issue but outside of the money (which can be massaged) getting rid of Griff doesn't bring any gain on the football field.

So, yes the 5th year option is an issue.

But outside of that what is the benefit on the field of not having Griffin on the team, not on the field but on the team?

How does Griffin being gone make the team better?

Because he has repeatedly broken the only rule of press conferences. The "I", not "we", screwed up rule.

It's always "I screwed up." And "We played well". That is the damage he has done off the field over the past couple years.

He hasn't repaired it either, because he has never taken any responsibility for his poor play. Instead of tweeting Ezekiel 25:17, he could have tweeted that he called the wrong protection while Willie Smith was getting killed in the media the next day.

Please listen to Cooley's film breakdown on the Detroit game. RGIII did nothing to help his players on or off the field that game.

Gruden and even RGIII has talked about how he needs his guys and organization to support him to make him better. He theorized that type of support contributes to Rodgers and Brady's success. The fact that RGIII is saying this is laughable.

When is the last time another QB publicly calling out the guys around him for his poor play? (I'm sure it's happened before. I don't know of a specific incident but I can see Cam Newton doing this type of thing after he steals a RB's touchdown ball.)

On the field: the team is risking a huge cap hit next season in exchange for nothing short of terrible play. He hasn't demonstrated any improvement despite receiving Bradyesque support from the organization.

Off the field: he has been held to a completely different standard without demonstrating any justification since 2012. 52 guys on the roster are held accountable for their mistakes, and some are accountable for his apparently.

Makes for a poisonous locker room.

There is zero upside to keeping him around any length of time after he is medically cleared.