Cousins to start 2015 Season

[Hog1]

Not at the money that has been bandied about.....
IF he showed any inclination toward much needed improvement in basic QB skills, and accepted an appropriate role on our roster, I'd be ok with it.
NOTE: All bets are off if SM thinks he's a lost cause.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by calia

...I don't disagree that it's far more likely that Jay gets axed before Scot does, but our owner is capable of anything.

I tend to think something will happen with RGIII before the end of the season anyway.

I guess anything is possible. I just can't see Scott getting the axe though....Bruce? He certainly deserves it, but his last name prolly buys him more leeway then he deserves.

If Derek Carr's injury was more serious Oakland could have been a landing spot, if Griffin in indeed on the trading block.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Say Cousins ends up failing, we fire the coaching staff, bring in new ones: do we give RG3 MORE time with a brand new system?

I believe that would rank as one of the single dumbest moves the franchise could make

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by OnceWeWereKings

I'm fairly certain I'm on his. The only reason he isn't on mine is because I would get all thrown off if posts were missing out of a thread.

With him, it doesn't make much imagination to figure out what he said.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Yes, agreed. Wondered if that's what some were suggesting. From what you know, that's not in the cards right? Any word on the trade front?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Say Cousins ends up failing, we fire the coaching staff, bring in new ones: do we give RG3 MORE time with a brand new system?

At that point Scott and his newly hired HC would need to draft 'their' QB.

Griffin would need to re-structure and understand that he's returning to compete for the job. It would be akin to 49ers with Harbaugh and Alex Smith.

[calia]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I guess anything is possible. I just can't see Scott getting the axe though....Bruce? He certainly deserves it, but his last name prolly buys him more leeway then he deserves.

If Derek Carr's injury was more serious Oakland could have been a landing spot, if Griffin in indeed on the trading block.

I agree -- Bruce deserve the axe, but sadly he probably won't get it. I just hope that Scot sticks around for a while and that Snyder shows the maturity and patience to give the guy room and time to do his job effectively. So far, it's hard not to be impressed with what he's done, with Preston Smith, Scherff, and Jones all contributing significantly. Hopefully, we will see more out of Crowder and Spaight as well.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

At that point Scott and his newly hired HC would need to draft 'their' QB.

Griffin would need to re-structure and understand that he's returning to compete for the job. It would be akin to 49ers with Harbaugh and Alex Smith.

Bad message to the locker room and he has the type of personality which will alienate his team mates, fan base and FO. Unfortunately to an extent RG3 is a victim of his own success that first year. 2012 is a long time ago.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by calia

I agree -- Bruce deserve the axe, but sadly he probably won't get it. I just hope that Scot sticks around for a while and that Snyder shows the maturity and patience to give the guy room and time to do his job effectively. So far, it's hard not to be impressed with what he's done, with Preston Smith, Scherff, and Jones all contributing significantly. Hopefully, we will see more out of Crowder and Spaight as well.

Snyder see's whats up. That's more contributing players than our last 5 drafts.......collectively.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Hog1

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Snyder see's whats up. That's more contributing players than our last 5 drafts.......collectively.

That's true. We've really had some horrible drafts in recent years. Hard to recall the last one that led to multiple starters who lasted for more than a few years. 2000?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Yes, agreed. Wondered if that's what some were suggesting. From what you know, that's not in the cards right? Any word on the trade front?

Haven't heard anything new re: trade. I know some teams did reach out and the Redskins did have some talks but I think they're holding off for something better. Anticipating maybe a QB getting hurt and a team being in a bind?

I'll say again what I said yesterday (and I get that he hasn't said this publicly), Griffin is not Scot's guy and he hasn't been overly impressed with what he has seen up close (not unlike Jay's experience)

Sure it's possible that Griffin returns but it's highly unlikely. And why would you want him back? 3rd HC/OC so 3rd system he has to learn and if it's some "hand-picked" guy how will that go over well in the locker room?

It's too bad it didn't work here, but it didn't. Time to rip the bandage off and move on

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I believe that would rank as one of the single dumbest moves the franchise could make

Damn, that's what I wanted to say. I thought you were taking a break? (I'm assuming you won't because the Redskins are like a chain on the ankle. Even when they suck you want to break free but they are juuuust interesting enough to keep you hanging around.)

But seriously, I mean I can't believe this conversation is happening right now. This has been a shitshow of epic proportions yet here we are discussing whether or not RG3 might actually get his umpteenth shot to prove he doesn't suck. I'm going to let this video do the rest of the talking for me. Here's to those of you who won't let it go:

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Haven't heard anything new re: trade. I know some teams did reach out and the Redskins did have some talks but I think they're holding off for something better. Anticipating maybe a QB getting hurt and a team being in a bind?

I'll say again what I said yesterday (and I get that he hasn't said this publicly), Griffin is not Scot's guy and he hasn't been overly impressed with what he has seen up close (not unlike Jay's experience)

Sure it's possible that Griffin returns but it's highly unlikely. And why would you want him back? 3rd HC/OC so 3rd system he has to learn and if it's some "hand-picked" guy how will that go over well in the locker room?

It's too bad it didn't work here, but it didn't. Time to rip the bandage off and move on

Good stuff SS as always....

How long is Gruden leash...in your opinion? Im thinking Callahan could be interm HC by week 10

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'll say again what I said yesterday (and I get that he hasn't said this publicly), Griffin is not Scot's guy and he hasn't been overly impressed with what he has seen up close

True, Griffin is not Scott's guy because Scott didn't draft him.

But again I find it hard to believe that a GM like Scott allows it to leak to you, SmootSmack, that he feels one way or another about Griffin or any player.

And why would you want him back? 3rd HC/OC so 3rd system he has to learn...

o IF Griffin restructures he won't be expensive

o New coach will be the result of an actual coaching searching and vetting process as opposed to the process that led to J

o IF Jay fails and is fired as a result his opinions and thoughts on Griffin will have proven to be wrong, therefore there would re-newed faith in Griffin's ability. After all Griffin's 3 years have been phenomenal, average and 7 starts of below average play paired with coach/system that didn't fit.

o New HC may bring a scheme and ability to get the most out of all the QBs he coaches. Think Harbaugh with Alex Smith and Kaep

It's too bad it didn't work here, but it didn't. Time to rip the bandage off and move on

That's where I was last off season. I thought, its over with Griffin because J doesn't want him as his QB. And the situation of a HC with a QB he doesn't want is untenable and bound to fail. I thought trade Griffin and move forward with Kirk and allow J to draft a QB to groom.

But with J's move to go all in with Kirk the circumstances have changed. Jay has chosen Kirk over Griffin and will ultimately be proved right or wrong. If he's wrong then I don't see how he survives and that could happen in season if things get worse.

So, I agree it was time to move on but J ironically has created a scenario where if he fails he has removed himself from the picture.

Afterall, what is lost in the whole discussion is there isn't a big gap between Kirk and Griffin not one close to large enough to warrant completely giving up on Griffin.



27th ranked QB by PFF: Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins (52.8)

Consistency, or lack thereof, is the prevailing theme in this tier, and Cousins fits the bill. He was impressive in his first two games last season, particularly a +5.0 effort against the Eagles in Week 3, but he followed it up with a -6.4 effort the next week against the Giants and a -6.5 mark against the Cardinals in Week 6. He’ll alternate between “wow” throws and head-scratching decisions, and that makes him difficult to get behind as a long-term solution at this point in his career.From PFF^^

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–Cousins has been a curious case himself. Drafted two rounds after RG III, many questioned the move by the Redskins’ brass. When RG III went down with an injury during the closing stretches of 2012, Cousins stepped in and put together two great games, grading at a very impressive +5.0. When Griffin struggled with his consistency in 2013 and then-coach Mike Shanahan infamously benched RG III for health reasons, Cousins flopped — posting four straight games of negative grades.

After Griffin got injured in Week 2 of the 2014 season, Cousins was electric in relief, posting an outstanding +8.2 passing grade. But then he followed up with a -6.9 the very next game, and more poor performances after that, leading to his being benched for Colt McCoy (he wasn’t any good in our grading system, either).

In summary, neither player instills confidence that he can be the long-term answer at the position for Washington. Griffin at least provides hope in terms of his upside, having proven previously that he can perform at an elite level, whereas Cousins has only shown flashes. Cousins has never come close Griffin’s accuracy numbers, and performing well in the preseason, as he has this year, doesn’t equal regular-season success.

That’s why it’s fair to argue that RG III winning the starting job is better for the Redskins, but in all likelihood, if indeed it is Cousins who ends up starting Week 1, he won’t keep the job for the whole season.
From PFF^^

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And then they're the money stats, the 3rd down stats and drop backs longer then 2.5s where the delta between them is non-existent and in some cases favors Griffin.

[SmootSmack]

I don't think I want to get sucked into this hellish cycle...back to my cave