Who is Kirk Cousins?

[skinsfan69]

I'd say somewhere between just a guy and the Matt Ryan range. Superstar? That might be pushing it a bit.

We just need to let it play out. Either let the legend grow, or back to the draft/ drawing board. Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm really rooting for this to work out. I seriously don't have the patience to start over with a rookie. Or bring in a journeymen while a rookie sits and watches... a la Cleveland.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'd say somewhere between just a guy and the Matt Ryan range. Superstar? That might be pushing it a bit.

We just need to let it play out. Either let the legend grow, or back to the draft/ drawing board. Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm really rooting for this to work out. I seriously don't have the patience to start over with a rookie. Or bring in a journeymen while a rookie sits and watches... a la Cleveland.

The short answer that sums up the entire situation is we can't plan on hitting the gas station scratcher and getting a HOF QB to win.

It really doesn't matter then who Kirk is.

Like the Pats and Seattle, whether you have a star or not, smart teams are always trying to find talented QBs.

The idea that once you have "the guy" the QB search stops is a myth.

From a draft, FA standpoint, we should always be looking for an upgrade at every position. In that context, it doesn't matter what Kirk is, we still need to be looking for an upgrade. It's just the nature of the league.

I do think Kirk is going to be a serviceable NFL QB.

At the beginning of the year everyone thought we were set at RB, including myself. We need to always be looking to upgrade.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

The short answer that sums up the entire situation is we can't plan on hitting the gas station scratcher and getting a HOF QB to win.

It really doesn't matter then who Kirk is.

Like the Pats and Seattle, whether you have a star or not, smart teams are always trying to find talented QBs.

The idea that once you have "the guy" the QB search stops is a myth.

From a draft, FA standpoint, we should always be looking for an upgrade at every position. In that context, it doesn't matter what Kirk is, we still need to be looking for an upgrade. It's just the nature of the league.

I do think Kirk is going to be a serviceable NFL QB.

At the beginning of the year everyone thought we were set at RB, including myself. We need to always be looking to upgrade.

If Turdk Cousins was a scratch off ticket, what would he be? I'd say a $2 dollar win

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

If Turdk Cousins was a scratch off ticket, what would he be? I'd say a $2 dollar win

It's also my retirement plan. Not working well so far. Would like to see the team try a different strategy because I will be working forever.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

If Turdk Cousins was a scratch off ticket, what would he be? I'd say a $2 dollar win

I assume you typed his first name on purpose.

Whatever you think of his performance, Kirk Cousins has been a model citizen for the Redskins, and doesn't deserve your sophomoric attempt at humor. It's offensive and doesn't become you.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

I assume you typed his first name on purpose.

Whatever you think of his performance, Kirk Cousins has been a model citizen for the Redskins, and doesn't deserve your sophomoric attempt at humor. It's offensive and doesn't become you.

Are you attempting to polish him?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

The short answer that sums up the entire situation is we can't plan on hitting the gas station scratcher and getting a HOF QB to win.

It really doesn't matter then who Kirk is.

Like the Pats and Seattle, whether you have a star or not, smart teams are always trying to find talented QBs.

The idea that once you have "the guy" the QB search stops is a myth.

From a draft, FA standpoint, we should always be looking for an upgrade at every position. In that context, it doesn't matter what Kirk is, we still need to be looking for an upgrade. It's just the nature of the league.

I do think Kirk is going to be a serviceable NFL QB.

At the beginning of the year everyone thought we were set at RB, including myself. We need to always be looking to upgrade.

I agree here and have always said that regardless of how KC plays, we need to draft a QB in 2016. I just think if KC solidifies himself as the starter moving forward, then that draft pick needs to be in the later rounds. Those first four or five picks need to be players that can contribute immediately.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I agree here and have always said that regardless of how KC plays, we need to draft a QB in 2016. I just think if KC solidifies himself as the starter moving forward, then that draft pick needs to be in the later rounds. Those first four or five picks need to be players that can contribute immediately.

What round do you start looking for a QB?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

What round do you start looking for a QB?

I don't intend any offense, but I disagree with the premise of the question.

With superior talent evaluators, which most here agree we have now, we should always take the best player available.

So the answer would be whatever round a QB is the best player available.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I don't intend any offense, but I disagree with the premise of the question.

With superior talent evaluators, which most here agree we have now, we should always take the best player available.

So the answer would be whatever round a QB is the best player available.

You said it perfectly.

This team is weak all up and down the roster. We've got a few good players, but not a single superstar, and not nearly enough depth.

We simply need to continue the overhaul. We need better middle linebacking, more pass rush, lots of help in the secondary, a superstar WR would be nice if we could get our hands on one, we need upgrades everywhere.

D Hall should not be a starting CB in this league anymore, for example. Goldson is OK but winning defenses often have better players at that position. The defensive line hasn't been good despite being one of the deeper positions we have.

Not to mention, there's an element to this that could be on the coaches. Why aren't we run blocking better with Scherff in there this year? Did Lauvao mean that much? Long has had several years in this league and has been with this staff, why isn't he more impactful by now?

[Coff]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You said it perfectly.

This team is weak all up and down the roster. We've got a few good players, but not a single superstar, and not nearly enough depth.

We simply need to continue the overhaul. We need better middle linebacking, more pass rush, lots of help in the secondary, a superstar WR would be nice if we could get our hands on one, we need upgrades everywhere.

D Hall should not be a starting CB in this league anymore, for example. Goldson is OK but winning defenses often have better players at that position. The defensive line hasn't been good despite being one of the deeper positions we have.

Not to mention, there's an element to this that could be on the coaches. Why aren't we run blocking better with Scherff in there this year? Did Lauvao mean that much? Long has had several years in this league and has been with this staff, why isn't he more impactful by now?

On the other hand, perhaps our greatest team weakness last year was pass blocking, which is arguably the best part of the team this year. I believe I saw a statistic recently that the Skins are allowing fewer sacks per drop-back than any team in the league. That's remarkable. Did we have to trade run-blocking for pass-blocking? And if you had to choose between the two, which would it be?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You said it perfectly.

This team is weak all up and down the roster. We've got a few good players, but not a single superstar, and not nearly enough depth.

We simply need to continue the overhaul. We need better middle linebacking, more pass rush, lots of help in the secondary, a superstar WR would be nice if we could get our hands on one, we need upgrades everywhere.

D Hall should not be a starting CB in this league anymore, for example. Goldson is OK but winning defenses often have better players at that position. The defensive line hasn't been good despite being one of the deeper positions we have.

Not to mention, there's an element to this that could be on the coaches. Why aren't we run blocking better with Scherff in there this year? Did Lauvao mean that much? Long has had several years in this league and has been with this staff, why isn't he more impactful by now?

Isn't Long a 2nd year player but essentially a rookie since he was still recovering from a knee injury his last year in college?

Either way, I agree overall with the premise that the roster as a whole needs an overhaul. It's going to be at least a 2 year process to purge some older/expensive players (bye bye this offseason to Hatcher, Garcon, Jackson, Riley to name a few) and bring in more via the draft and smart free agency.

I think there will be a number of QB on the market this offseason (Cutler, Stafford, Brees, Kap, RG3 to name a few) via trade or release but we shouldn't be in the market for any of them because we're not a QB away from being a contender.

How does that relate to Cousins? IMO, he's not the long term answer, he is a good backup to below average starter. He's Ryan Fitzpatrick...and that's not necessarily a bad thing. He will bounce around the league for 10+ years, win some games, maybe catch lightning in a bottle with the right team around him and have some success but ultimately be fools gold if you think he's a franchise QB.

BUT, for where we are and are going, he's the best roster option right now for 2016 and maybe 2017 while we look for our long term QB. I think while this is a weak draft class at QB, if there's value in the 2nd or 3rd round on a guy Scot thinks can be the long term solution.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

I don't intend any offense, but I disagree with the premise of the question.

With superior talent evaluators, which most here agree we have now, we should always take the best player available.

So the answer would be whatever round a QB is the best player available.

I think it is very relevant. If you draft a QB in round one or two, you are giving up on KC. If you draft a QB in round three – seven you have to bring KC back and coach up the rookie while he is on the bench. If the team falls apart and we finish with three or four wins; I have no issues with using the first or second pick in the draft on a QB. If we draft a QB in the first round, the offense will be starting over, and Jay will be given another two years.
History shows QB’s drafted beyond the third round seldom pan out. When you have so many holes in the roster, I do not agree with drafting a QB this year, unless you are giving up on KC. In two or three years, I have no issue with drafting a QB in the later rounds.
I understand the theory around drafting the best player availed, but we are not good enough for this theory. We need to draft the best player available at a position of need. If you are bringing KC back, we should not use a pick on a QB.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I understand the theory around drafting the best player availed, but we are not good enough for this theory. We need to draft the best player available at a position of need.

Need is certainly factored in somewhat to determining best player available.

BPA is how teams become good and is the best way to build quality depth year in and year out.

Going into a draft determined on drafting a player at a certain position means the team is passing over more talented players at other positions to fill a need.

Taking the BPA every round in every draft builds quality depth across every position.

Every player on an NFL roster is one play away from a season ending injury. The way to be successful in the league is having really good football players that can be the next man up.

McLovin and I respectfully disagree with your draft strategy.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

What round do you start looking for a QB?

Personally I think we can win with him but the team around him has to be better. I'd go the route of building up the team and maybe look at the 5th or 6th round.