trump Inpeachment...............

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yup this is right, IG confirms Adam Schiff was full of shit:

https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/10...led-with-lies/

Of course the media embraced its lies

LOL, chico you bias is showing..................again.


Seems the report throws both parties" under the bus.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...7a1_story.html

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

LOL, chico you bias is showing..................again.


Seems the report throws both parties" under the bus.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...7a1_story.html

G1, what are you talking about? The article specifically calls out the competing narrative in the opposing memos...the narratives are OPPOSITE...look at the memos:

The Democratic minority on the committee, then led by Rep. Adam Schiff, put out a response memo with competing claims:
1.FBI and DOJ officials did not omit material information from the FISA warrant.
2.The DOJ “made only narrow use of information from Steele’s sources about Page’s specific activities in 2016.”
3.In subsequent FISA renewals, DOJ provided additional information that corroborated Steele’s reporting.
4.The Page FISA warrant allowed the FBI to collect “valuable intelligence.”
5.“Far from ‘omitting’ material facts about Steele, as the Majority claims, DOJ repeatedly informed the Court about Steele’s background, credibility, and potential bias.”
6.The FBI conducted a “rigorous process” to vet Steele’s allegations, and the Page FISA application explained the FBI’s reasonable basis for finding Steele credible.
7.Steele’s prior reporting was used in “criminal proceedings.”

Each of these claims were found by Horowitz to be false.

Horowitz found that FBI and DOJ officials did in fact omit critical material information from the FISA warrant, including several items exculpatory to Page. Material facts were not just omitted but willfully hidden through doctoring of evidence.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

G1, what are you talking about? The article specifically calls out the competing narrative in the opposing memos...the narratives are OPPOSITE...look at the memos:

The Democratic minority on the committee, then led by Rep. Adam Schiff, put out a response memo with competing claims:
1.FBI and DOJ officials did not omit material information from the FISA warrant.
2.The DOJ “made only narrow use of information from Steele’s sources about Page’s specific activities in 2016.”
3.In subsequent FISA renewals, DOJ provided additional information that corroborated Steele’s reporting.
4.The Page FISA warrant allowed the FBI to collect “valuable intelligence.”
5.“Far from ‘omitting’ material facts about Steele, as the Majority claims, DOJ repeatedly informed the Court about Steele’s background, credibility, and potential bias.”
6.The FBI conducted a “rigorous process” to vet Steele’s allegations, and the Page FISA application explained the FBI’s reasonable basis for finding Steele credible.
7.Steele’s prior reporting was used in “criminal proceedings.”

Each of these claims were found by Horowitz to be false.

Horowitz found that FBI and DOJ officials did in fact omit critical material information from the FISA warrant, including several items exculpatory to Page. Material facts were not just omitted but willfully hidden through doctoring of evidence.

Chico you're on a sinking ship.

[Giantone]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/laurence-...085137976.html


Harvard Law Professor Dismantles Key GOP Argument Against Impeachment Of Trump


Harvard constitutional law professor Laurence Tribe on Wednesday took apart a key Republican argument against the impeachment of President Donald Trump over the Ukraine scandal.

Tribe, appearing on MSNBC’s “All In with Chris Hayes” said some Republicans were “missing the point” by claiming abuse of power (one of two articles of impeachment that House Democrats have released against Trump, the other being obstruction of Congress) is “not a crime.”

“It is the highest crime against the Constitution,” said Tribe. “And in this case the impeachment articles are carefully written to show the aggregating circumstances.”

“This isn’t just using the president’s power to benefit himself,” Tribe added. “But it’s doing that in a way that endangers our national security and that corrupts the electoral process by inviting foreign involvement.”

Tribe, who advised the House Judiciary Committee on how to draft the articles of impeachment, earlier explained why the articles were “the classic high crimes and misdemeanors.”

He said:

Abuse of power is what the impeachment clause was all about. The idea of using the power of the presidency not to protect the nation but to benefit one’s self and especially one’s reelection. In fact, in the debates around the framing of the Constitution, the big question about the impeachment power was ‘do we really need it, or is it enough, because the president will have to stand for reelection if it’s going to be ahead of him?’ The answer to that was ‘what if he corrupts the election process? What if he uses his power to reframe the election so that he rigs the system? We can’t afford to wait.’ That was the whole reason not to wait for the quadrennial election to take place.

Tribe concluded by claiming that “as a historic matter, this is the clearest case we’ve ever seen in the use of the impeachment power.”

“Especially when you add the second article, which basically says that if the president will not in any way cooperate with the process” then “we really do have a president who is a dictator and if this isn’t impeachable, as many have said, then nothing is. That’s the theory of this case.”

[mitch e]

Originally Posted by Giantone

https://www.yahoo.com/news/laurence-...085137976.html


Harvard Law Professor Dismantles Key GOP Argument Against Impeachment Of Trump


Harvard constitutional law professor Laurence Tribe on Wednesday took apart a key Republican argument against the impeachment of President Donald Trump over the Ukraine scandal.

Tribe, appearing on MSNBC’s “All In with Chris Hayes” said some Republicans were “missing the point” by claiming abuse of power (one of two articles of impeachment that House Democrats have released against Trump, the other being obstruction of Congress) is “not a crime.”

“It is the highest crime against the Constitution,” said Tribe. “And in this case the impeachment articles are carefully written to show the aggregating circumstances.”

“This isn’t just using the president’s power to benefit himself,” Tribe added. “But it’s doing that in a way that endangers our national security and that corrupts the electoral process by inviting foreign involvement.”

Tribe, who advised the House Judiciary Committee on how to draft the articles of impeachment, earlier explained why the articles were “the classic high crimes and misdemeanors.”

He said:

Abuse of power is what the impeachment clause was all about. The idea of using the power of the presidency not to protect the nation but to benefit one’s self and especially one’s reelection. In fact, in the debates around the framing of the Constitution, the big question about the impeachment power was ‘do we really need it, or is it enough, because the president will have to stand for reelection if it’s going to be ahead of him?’ The answer to that was ‘what if he corrupts the election process? What if he uses his power to reframe of powerelection so that he rigs the system? We can’t afford to wait.’ That was the whole reason not to wait for the quadrennial election to take place.

Tribe concluded by claiming that “as a historic matter, this is the clearest case we’ve ever seen in the use of the impeachment power.”

“Especially when you add the second article, which basically says that if the president will not in any way cooperate with the process” then “we really do have a president who is a dictator and if this isn’t impeachable, as many have said, then nothing is. That’s the theory of this case.”

I guess when the last pres. told us if you like your doctor you can keep him
wasn't an abuse of power, oh wait, that was just a fucking lie!!

[Buffalo Bob]

I just saw a USA today poll that had Trump leading all Democratic candidates by a minimum of 4 percentage points, head to head if the election took place tomorrow. The only Democrat of the bunch I would consider voting for is Biden, but he is looking long in the tooth. As far as a lot of polls being biased I would hope even lefties realize USA today leans to the left, and they have Trump leading.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I just saw a USA today poll that had Trump leading all Democratic candidates by a minimum of 4 percentage points, head to head if the election took place tomorrow. The only Democrat of the bunch I would consider voting for is Biden, but he is looking long in the tooth. As far as a lot of polls being biased I would hope even lefties realize USA today leans to the left, and they have Trump leading.

A FOX poll over the weekend said over 50% of America wants trump impeached


.................FOX.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I just saw a USA today poll that had Trump leading all Democratic candidates by a minimum of 4 percentage points, head to head if the election took place tomorrow. The only Democrat of the bunch I would consider voting for is Biden, but he is looking long in the tooth. As far as a lot of polls being biased I would hope even lefties realize USA today leans to the left, and they have Trump leading.

I don't see anybody in the Democratic party beating him except maybe Warren or Booker but don't see Booker being the nominee. Got to disagree with you about USA Today though that is as middle of the road as it comes.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Chico you're on a sinking ship.

Its not about sinking ship, its about leaders of Congress overseeing this process misleading the American public with a narrative which was not biased on facts. He was wrong on every account...that's a problem, BUT the bigger issue is then the media takes this information and spreads it as fact. That's the big issue.

Now take the Nunes memo...come to find out, his assertions were found to be correct BUT the media at the time criticizes it and claims its false. These outlets include the Washington Post, NYC, Politico, and then the super garbage sites like Slate and the intercept (these don't count as new orgs...lolol..only morons would go there for news)

Read the article I posted G1.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Its not about sinking ship, its about leaders of Congress overseeing this process misleading the American public with a narrative which was not biased on facts. He was wrong on every account...that's a problem, BUT the bigger issue is then the media takes this information and spreads it as fact. That's the big issue.

Now take the Nunes memo...come to find out, his assertions were found to be correct BUT the media at the time criticizes it and claims its false. These outlets include the Washington Post, NYC, Politico, and then the super garbage sites like Slate and the intercept (these don't count as new orgs...lolol..only morons would go there for news)

Read the article I posted G1.

Your entire rant is BS you hate the media you jump on any ship in the storm that sees it your way which I kind of understandable to a point .To call the WP readers morons is just plain ignorant chico .trump has warped your mind . Let's talk about the IMPEACHMENT TRIAL of Donald trump. Let's talk about how the republicans are backing him no matter what ,that alone will kill the republican party.They look like fools now but the cult will take down the country in the process don't blame the press.Hell even the trump network FOX is turning on trump,.......go ahead and tell us what a piece of shit Chris Wallace is.