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Old 05-05-2021, 04:09 PM   #1
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Re: Let's revisit the 2018 draft

Since we're discussing past drafts...

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Old 05-05-2021, 04:33 PM   #2
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I think we're not just underrating Tim Settle, but seriously underrating Tim Settle. He's a starting caliber player, just buried on the depth chart behind two first rounders from Alabama, and a when-healthy 2nd only to Aaron Donald interior pass rusher.

You could make an argument that the best thing for the team is to trade Allen or Payne now and let Settle play. I don't think you lose much.


I'll go B-. Settle is a genuine gem, he saves what could have been a D.
Couldn't agree more with the bolded part. Package Payne and Scherff and go get Rogers, or sell em individually for some high draft picks. Use an abundance of strength at one position (saves money and gets picks) to solve issues in areas of weakness.
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Old 05-05-2021, 08:48 PM   #3
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I think we're not just underrating Tim Settle, but seriously underrating Tim Settle. He's a starting caliber player, just buried on the depth chart behind two first rounders from Alabama, and a when-healthy 2nd only to Aaron Donald interior pass rusher.

You could make an argument that the best thing for the team is to trade Allen or Payne now and let Settle play. I don't think you lose much.

Back to the topic - because Settle is so good the draft can't be viewed as anything less than a B-. They say if you get two starters out of a draft, you've done well. We got Payne and I count Settle as a starting caliber player.

But they deserve to be dinged seriously for Guice because he dropped for character reasons, and it turned out to be completely true. 2nd round is high for a RB in the first place, and if he's got character concerns then it's even harder to make a profit on the selection.

The Christian pick is annoying too because the guy was clearly never strong enough. You can teach technique. It's a lot harder to move the needle on strength and speed, and impossible to move it on size.

I'll go B-. Settle is a genuine gem, he saves what could have been a D.
Guice also hyperextended his knee at LSU and never had surgery which might also be why he dropped. I think other teams were scared away by that knee, that he later tore the ACL with us in his ever first preseason game against New England.
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Old 05-06-2021, 07:33 PM   #4
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I think we're not just underrating Tim Settle, but seriously underrating Tim Settle. He's a starting caliber player, just buried on the depth chart behind two first rounders from Alabama, and a when-healthy 2nd only to Aaron Donald interior pass rusher.



You could make an argument that the best thing for the team is to trade Allen or Payne now and let Settle play. I don't think you lose much.



Back to the topic - because Settle is so good the draft can't be viewed as anything less than a B-. They say if you get two starters out of a draft, you've done well. We got Payne and I count Settle as a starting caliber player.



But they deserve to be dinged seriously for Guice because he dropped for character reasons, and it turned out to be completely true. 2nd round is high for a RB in the first place, and if he's got character concerns then it's even harder to make a profit on the selection.



The Christian pick is annoying too because the guy was clearly never strong enough. You can teach technique. It's a lot harder to move the needle on strength and speed, and impossible to move it on size.



I'll go B-. Settle is a genuine gem, he saves what could have been a D.


Second only to Aaron Donald? That might be stretching it. Top 10-15 for sure and if you factor in his age probably more appealing. I certainly agree that him being buried behind Allen and Payne overshadows his abilities. It is hard to find a top 15 anything that isn’t a starter. If Settle leaves at one point because of money I sure hope GM’s around the league hold him in as high regard as you do.
Unless I read this wrong and you are talking about Matty I? I would say the same thing about him i guess.
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Second only to Aaron Donald? That might be stretching it. Top 10-15 for sure and if you factor in his age probably more appealing. I certainly agree that him being buried behind Allen and Payne overshadows his abilities. It is hard to find a top 15 anything that isn’t a starter. If Settle leaves at one point because of money I sure hope GM’s around the league hold him in as high regard as you do.
Unless I read this wrong and you are talking about Matty I? I would say the same thing about him i guess.
I would hate to trade Payne or Allen, but if we could trade one and re-up the other, and re-up Settle, that would be ok by me.

My preference would be to keep Allen and Payne. I'd re-up Allen now and FT tag Payne the 1st year after his contract expires. And re-up Settle. Then we have a couple more years with all 3. That's a lot of money for the next couple years, but worth it for the strength of our team. Then in a few years you will have flexibility to do as needed.

If we can keep 2 out of 3 for the foreseeable future, that is a win for the team.

Then you have to draft well again for a replacement.
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Old 05-07-2021, 04:43 AM   #6
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Second only to Aaron Donald? That might be stretching it. Top 10-15 for sure and if you factor in his age probably more appealing. I certainly agree that him being buried behind Allen and Payne overshadows his abilities. It is hard to find a top 15 anything that isn’t a starter. If Settle leaves at one point because of money I sure hope GM’s around the league hold him in as high regard as you do.
Unless I read this wrong and you are talking about Matty I? I would say the same thing about him i guess.
Schneed was referring to either Payne or Allen ;-)
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Old 05-07-2021, 06:22 AM   #7
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Schneed was referring to either Payne or Allen ;-)


Yes in reference to the two guys from Alabama obviously, but than says “and a guy who when healthy is second only to Aaron Donald” - that is either referring to Settle or Matty I. Hence the “and a guy who....”
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Yes in reference to the two guys from Alabama obviously, but than says “and a guy who when healthy is second only to Aaron Donald” - that is either referring to Settle or Matty I. Hence the “and a guy who....”
Oh yeah sorry that Matty I then, because he was listing the guys Settle was behind of !

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Re: Let's revisit the 2018 draft

This guy is hilarious. Give him time, he really gets going. He really like the WFT. He even talks about Settle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ouyea-580
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Old 05-05-2021, 10:36 PM   #10
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This guy is hilarious. Give him time, he really gets going. He really like the WFT. He even talks about Settle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ouyea-580
“Let me tell you something cowboy nation… Tim Settle, a rotational player had just as many sacks as our entire starting d tackles combined”

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Old 05-06-2021, 01:44 PM   #11
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This guy is hilarious. Give him time, he really gets going. He really like the WFT. He even talks about Settle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ouyea-580

Guess wot? That dude IS hilarious.

And guess wot? -- he's right. The Washington Football Team is gonna go straight at 'em, becuz guess wot? They ain't got no D-Linemen. Becuz guess wot? They are top heavy in their roster construction.

And guess wot?


lolol That was funny. But insightful too. Dude knows what he's talking about.

Cowboys did try to address some of that in their draft. We'll see how they did.
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Old 05-07-2021, 10:14 AM   #12
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This guy is hilarious. Give him time, he really gets going. He really like the WFT. He even talks about Settle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Ouyea-580
Guess what?

That was entertaining.
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Old 05-07-2021, 05:25 AM   #13
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Re: Let's revisit the 2018 draft

On a strictly per snap basis, Schneed is right. In terms of Sacks/QB Hits per snap Settle is way up there in the league rankings. But he only plays 33% of the snaps, which probably keeps him fresh to get better results when he is in the game. What he would look like if he had to play 75-80% of snaps is more difficult to foresee.

Looking solely at 2020

G Snaps T AT Sacks TFL QB Hits FF
Payne 16 84.3% 27 27 3 7 8 3

Settle 16 33.3% 12 6 5 5 7 0
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Old 05-07-2021, 08:10 AM   #14
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Looking back on the Guice pick, how do you not do your homework? Drafting someone w/ that low of character in the 2nd round is inexcusable. The current regime would have never touched that guy.

Not a real good looking back. You got one starter out of that draft.
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Old 05-07-2021, 09:38 AM   #15
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Looking back on the Guice pick, how do you not do your homework? Drafting someone w/ that low of character in the 2nd round is inexcusable. The current regime would have never touched that guy.

Not a real good looking back. You got one starter out of that draft.
They had to have known some of the story with Guice and were probably hoping LSU was going to keep it covered up.
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