Fresh Start Political Thread

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I guess I don't understand why it has to be an either or issue. I am not advocating for an open border, but to deport people to a country that has no leadership right now, just hit by an earth quake and then follow it up by a hurricane when we are much better equipped to handle their basic humanitarian needs right now is highly unethical imo.

Reading your article with interviews of people there and I heard a radio interviews of the haitian refugees ... vast majority left haiti in 2016.

Perhaps Im drawing an imaginary line .. but these people left haiti years before the recent earthquake. If they had left bc of the earthquake then maybe Id have a different view ... as I sit in the comfort of an office sipping coffee.

Refugees have to seek asylum to the closest bordering country. They cant leap frog 5 countries bc they want to come to America. many of the haitians seem to have come from Venezuela, stayed there for a while and then venzuela became not friendly to them.

Just because you are born in Haiti doesnt mean you can just walk up the border and say I want to be an American.

We need to enforce our immigration laws on the books ... and the best we can do is to try and make the process as fast and as painless as possible.

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Many said their only hope was to once again follow the long, arduous road of migration.

“I’m not going to stay in Haiti,” said Elène Jean-Baptiste, 28, who traveled with her 3-year-old son, Steshanley Sylvain, who was born in Chile and has a Chilean passport, and her husband, Stevenson Sylvain.

Many of the migrants who stepped off the plane Sunday have little to return to.

Claire Bazille left home in 2015, and had a job cleaning office buildings in Chile’s capital, Santiago. It wasn’t the dream life she had left Haiti to find, but she got by, even sending money home to her mother each month.

When Ms. Bazille heard that it was possible to enter the United States under the Biden administration, she left everything behind and headed north, joining other Haitians along the way.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/19/w...portation.html

^^ you have a job in Chile, son was born there with a Chile passport ... stay in Chile. You had a job, you presumably had a home, food, you had a life.

That is not conditions for seeking asylum.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Reading your article with interviews of people there and I heard a radio interviews of the haitian refugees ... vast majority left haiti in 2016.

Perhaps Im drawing an imaginary line .. but these people left haiti years before the recent earthquake. If they had left bc of the earthquake then maybe Id have a different view ... as I sit in the comfort of an office sipping coffee.

Refugees have to seek asylum to the closest bordering country. They cant leap frog 5 countries bc they want to come to America. many of the haitians seem to have come from Venezuela, stayed there for a while and then venzuela became not friendly to them.

Just because you are born in Haiti doesnt mean you can just walk up the border and say I want to be an American.

We need to enforce our immigration laws on the books ... and the best we can do is to try and make the process as fast and as painless as possible.

This is the difference between us and certain conservatives (not calling anyone on this forum out specifically).

When Stephen Miller is running your national immigration policy - they don't want any immigrants coming in - legally or not.

I only dip my toes in on the immigration waters because I'm not very well informed and there isn't a "one policy fits all" approach.

For me I agree with that line though. The best thing we can do is revamp the infrastructure to speed up the process to get people in here legally. That means more infrastructure for better background checks and visas getting approved quicker. The only people I'm not letting in are violent and/or career criminals.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

This is the difference between us and certain conservatives (not calling anyone on this forum out specifically).

When Stephen Miller is running your national immigration policy - they don't want any immigrants coming in - legally or not.

I only dip my toes in on the immigration waters because I'm not very well informed and there isn't a "one policy fits all" approach.

For me I agree with that line though. The best thing we can do is revamp the infrastructure to speed up the process to get people in here legally. That means more infrastructure for better background checks and visas getting approved quicker. The only people I'm not letting in are violent and/or career criminals.

I agree we can't bring everyone in but there has to be a better way!