New Reason behind LaVar Arrington not playing early season!!

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by offiss

I don't beleive that that is what took place here, I just feel that the reality of Lavar and the fact that he stinks has finally come to roost.

Kind of like that pass to Gates in overtime which put the chargers in position to beat us, Gates releases over to Lavars side while Lavar stands there watching the QB like the dummy he is, rather than going after and covering Gates, considering he was the last line of defense on that side of the field on that play, it was pretty typical of the types of things Lavar does on an every game basis, that's why he waesn't on the field, those types of mistakes which he makes over, and over, and over again.

you know darn well that lavar is the best linebacker on the skins. he is not as fundamentaly sound as washington but overall, everything combined , lavar is the best, so if he stinks then the rest of the skins linebackers must be the worst in the league.

as for him not covering gates, have you ever considered the possibility that the skins were in a zone blitz or did you personally call that particular defensive play cuz you thought greg williams needed some of your undisputed wisdom?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

you know darn well that lavar is the best linebacker on the skins. he is not as fundamentaly sound as washington but overall, everything combined , lavar is the best, so if he stinks then the rest of the skins linebackers must be the worst in the league.

as for him not covering gates, have you ever considered the possibility that the skins were in a zone blitz or did you personally call that particular defensive play cuz you thought greg williams needed some of your undisputed wisdom?

I'd say that right now Marcus Washington is our best and most complete LB.

However, LaVar is still a very talented and productive player and he certainly doesn't "stink". That's just ridiculous to say.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

you know darn well that lavar is the best linebacker on the skins. he is not as fundamentaly sound as washington but overall, everything combined , lavar is the best, so if he stinks then the rest of the skins linebackers must be the worst in the league.

as for him not covering gates, have you ever considered the possibility that the skins were in a zone blitz or did you personally call that particular defensive play cuz you thought greg williams needed some of your undisputed wisdom?

No I don't know that, the fact is your not basing your conclusion on Lavar being the best LB on our team by production, it's being based on his name, your to caught up in the Lavar hype, and not the Lavar substance, Lavar is not a better LB than Washington, he may be a better athlete, but that's where it ends, and I would personally rather see Clemons in there more.

As for the play involving Gates, I recorded it so I was able to watch the replay a few times, Arrington stood in the D-backfield on the strong side and followed Brees's movement as if he had a chance to make a play on the QB from the secondary, while Gates ran right out into the flat into Arringtons area while Arrington ignored the fact that someone could slip out into the flat, he then only reacted after the ball was thrown and it was to late to catch up, he was the only one out there, and realisticly the only one who should have been responsible for anyone releasing into the flat, and that is why Williams is reluctant to play him, he really is in his own world out there, it just takes one play like that to cost us a game [especially the way our offense keeps teams in the game] and Williams is not willing to risk that.

Kind of funny that Lavar had been coming out on definate passing downs, it seems Clemons gets the call when we need a real pass rusher and he's been far better at it than Lavar.

[SmootSmack]

I'm happy to see both Clemons brothers getting playing time, I wish Nic would get more. But maybe it's just me but it seems like Chris Clemons is playing at Holdman's expense, and not so much LaVar's. WH has completely disappeared it seems

[40Walton]

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by 40Walton

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

Interesting observation 40Walton, and WELCOME!!!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by 40Walton

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

There are plenty of players who have proven themselves to Williams, they did by effort, and production, Rogers [a rookie]I do believe is now starting, marshall is playing a totally new position at MLB, the entire defense last year knew nothing of Williams but were able to establish themselves from day 1, Williams didn't trust taylor at the start of last season, but Taylor made a believer out of him, I don't by the idea that Williams is sitting Lavar because he's comfortable with the likes of Holdman, who wasen't here last year, or Clemons who was a practice squad player for most of last season, it's not like he couldn't have tried to convert Lavar to a MLB, he didn't even consider it.

Lavar's knee did factor into his situation now, but it's a small part of the big picture.

I to enjoy that 1 big hit Lavar seems to make every once in a while, but it doesn't make up for the mental lapses he seems to have all to often, which is the real reason he's on the bench, athletic ability alone does not make a football player.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by 40Walton

I think the REAL reason Lavar wasn't playing earlier this year is because he's never done anything FOR Greg Williams. If you think about it, LA was only healthy for a few games the first year Greg Williams was his D coach. LA goes out, Gregg plugs in Lemar, Nic... The point is the guys who filled in for LA produced FOR Williams and Williams found a comfort level with them. Why do you think Prioleau is here? Why do you think Antonio Brown is here? Why do you think Bledsoe is in Dallas w/ the Tuna along w/ Richie Anderson, Terry Glenn and Ferguson ? They were there all year long when new facets of his defense were drawn up and applied, Lavar wasn't. I think it was a combination of Lavar's health, Lavar's lack of knowledge of the entire playbook~ including sets he's never played in before simply because he wasn't healthy enough to gain experience in playing in them.Most of all, I think It was a trust issue.
Let's say you take over a job as a supervisor. There is an employee that everyone assures you is "great" and is a "blue-chip". However until this employee produces for you and you foster your own personal trust in them, you will not be able to fully trust them. When Gregg Williams came here, Lavar was just a name sprinkled in w/ highlights. Gregg didn't trust him nor any other player on the roster. It just so happens that other players got the opportunity to prove themselves to him through circumstance. Lavar?~ Busted knee, no such luck.
It's neither Lavar's fault, or Gregg's, Gibbs, or Snyders as to why he was on the bench. It's noone's fault at all. It's human nature, and it's good coaching. Think of it, would you go into battle with someone you've been TOLD will watch your back? Or would you go into battle w/ someone that HAS?

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[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by offiss

Kind of funny that Lavar had been coming out on definate passing downs, it seems Clemons gets the call when we need a real pass rusher and he's been far better at it than Lavar.

Far better at it? I thought you were all about production. Clemons has two sack this year. If he can come out of this season with anywhere close to 10 sacks, I might buy that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

No I don't know that, the fact is your not basing your conclusion on Lavar being the best LB on our team by production, it's being based on his name, your to caught up in the Lavar hype, and not the Lavar substance, Lavar is not a better LB than Washington, he may be a better athlete, but that's where it ends, and I would personally rather see Clemons in there more.

So if we're basing this on production, why do you insist Ramsey is better than Brunell? Where is the Ramsey substance we should be looking at over the hype?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So if we're basing this on production, why do you insist Ramsey is better than Brunell? Where is the Ramsey substance we should be looking at over the hype?

Uh oh Matty. Pleasssse tell me this isn't going to turn into another Ramsey vs. Brunell thread. What have you done?!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So if we're basing this on production, why do you insist Ramsey is better than Brunell? Where is the Ramsey substance we should be looking at over the hype?

Lavar has started and played for how many years? Ramsey has had what kind of opportunity? And yes Ramsey's production was better than Brunells last season, I do believe it was the bases for Gibbs naming him the starter at the end of last season. Has Lavar had opportunities this year to play? I believe the answer is yes, Has he had more than 1 quarter in the first game? Yes, Does he play an easier position to learn than Ramsey? Yes. Does the fact that Ramsey had a brand new recieving corps factor into a slowed start? Yes, as I stated before it took Brunell almost 2 games before he actually made a play. So in closing, Lavar has had opprtunities to prove himself, and doesn't come close to pressuring the QB, while at the same time Clemons alway's seems to be pressuring the QB even if he doesn't get the sack.

Whoever want's to believe Lavar is this great LB, go right ahead. But please don't compare his situation with Ramsey's, it's not even close.

[CRT3]

That is absurd. 1st off Arrington dropped the arbitration so nobody won. 2nd he settled his dispute. 3rd, you have no reliable source because of the 1st 2 facts. If you are 24/7 then you would know this.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05239/561194.stm

[wolfeskins]

[QUOTE=offiss]No I don't know that, the fact is your not basing your conclusion on Lavar being the best LB on our team by production, it's being based on his name, your to caught up in the Lavar hype, and not the Lavar substance, Lavar is not a better LB than Washington, he may be a better athlete, but that's where it ends, and I would personally rather see Clemons in there more.[QUOTE]



i am not basing my conclusion on lavars name, i'm basing it on his production. go ahead compare lavar's numbers to all the other current redskins lbs minus last year. when was lavar drafted, 2000 ? compare his stats from 2000,01,02,03 and 05 to the stats of any lb that has played for the skins during that time period. lets see who has been the skins most productive lb the last 5 years.

[offiss]

[QUOTE=wolfeskins][QUOTE=offiss]No I don't know that, the fact is your not basing your conclusion on Lavar being the best LB on our team by production, it's being based on his name, your to caught up in the Lavar hype, and not the Lavar substance, Lavar is not a better LB than Washington, he may be a better athlete, but that's where it ends, and I would personally rather see Clemons in there more.

i am not basing my conclusion on lavars name, i'm basing it on his production. go ahead compare lavar's numbers to all the other current redskins lbs minus last year. when was lavar drafted, 2000 ? compare his stats from 2000,01,02,03 and 05 to the stats of any lb that has played for the skins during that time period. lets see who has been the skins most productive lb the last 5 years.

You can't really use those numbers because he had his best year for us as a defensive end, not a LB. And correct me if I am wrong but our defenses weren't that good over that time span.

Our defense was the best we had last season without Lavar, what kind of difference is the guy really making?