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[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Pretty interested to see qbs too. I think people are underestimating Sam Howell also in addition to Wentz. Wentz has all the tools just needs the right coaching and situation. Howell holds numerous UNC all time records and can sling it. People quickly forget he had a 1st rd grade had he been in the 2021 draft. Feel like we're lucky to have gotten him. Both will be a dramatic improvement.

Hard for me to agree with your perspective on Wentz. He was with good teams in Philly and Indy and IMO his coaches were top-notch. I think he just choked last season due to the pressure of making the playoffs. So, I'd say our QB situation is still shaky

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Hard for me to agree with your perspective on Wentz. He was with good teams in Philly and Indy and IMO his coaches were top-notch. I think he just choked last season due to the pressure of making the playoffs. So, I'd say our QB situation is still shaky

He was the starter in Philly the year they won the Super Bowl for nearly the entire season paving the way until he got hurt. Philly just wanted to see what they had in Hurts and didn't want to mess around with the large contract they just awarded him. Everyone knows Irsay wanted him gone in Indy even though at one point last season he was in discussion as a top qb for the year.

The tools are all there:

1) Size- 6'5" 237 lbs (don't think fans appreciate this enough)
2) Great arm especially deep
3) Mobile which is unusual for his large size. No he's not Lamar Jackson but the guy can move
4) Highly intelligent

What tools does he lack physically? None. He's also at a very good age at 29. Again, he's got all the tools.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

He was the starter in Philly the year they won the Super Bowl for nearly the entire season paving the way until he got hurt. Philly just wanted to see what they had in Hurts and didn't want to mess around with the large contract they just awarded him. Everyone knows Irsay wanted him gone in Indy even though at one point last season he was in discussion as a top qb for the year.

The tools are all there:

1) Size- 6'5" 237 lbs (don't think fans appreciate this enough)
2) Great arm especially deep
3) Mobile which is unusual for his large size. No he's not Lamar Jackson but the guy can move
4) Highly intelligent

What tools does he lack physically? None. He's also at a very good age at 29. Again, he's got all the tools.

I already know all about his toolset. What's that got to do with his main problem which is choking? Once a player chokes like he did at Indy, it's very hard for the other players to ever trust him again. That's why Irsay wanted him gone. If he does well this season until he chokes away our chance to make the playoffs he'll be gone from here, too. That's why our QB room is unsettled. Let's hope he's seeing a sports psychologist.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I already know all about his toolset. What's that got to do with his main problem which is choking? Once a player chokes like he did at Indy, it's very hard for the other players to ever trust him again. That's why Irsay wanted him gone. If he does well this season until he chokes away our chance to make the playoffs he'll be gone from here, too. That's why our QB room is unsettled. Let's hope he's seeing a sports psychologist.

I don't get how one bad season, and one particularly bad game makes someone automatically a choker. Is it just because Jim Irsay put that out there, and people are believing it?

When he was here, Kirk Cousins had his bad moments in key games, but I wouldn't necessarily call him a choker.

I think Wentz has a lot to prove, but I feel many fans and some people in the media, have bought in to what Irsay has been putting out there.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't get how one bad season, and one particularly bad game makes someone automatically a choker. Is it just because Jim Irsay put that out there, and people are believing it?

When he was here, Kirk Cousins had his bad moments in key games, but I wouldn't necessarily call him a choker.

I think Wentz has a lot to prove, but I feel many fans and some people in the media, have bought in to what Irsay has been putting out there.

FWIW, I'm saying he choked. I saw it happen so I didn't need to hear it from Irsay first. Besides neither Irsay nor Philly wanted him around anymore, for a couple of the same reasons.

BTW, Cousins was and is a choker, IMO. When he was here, he could be expected to throw a late game interception in a crucial game. He still can't win the big game for the Vikings.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't get how one bad season, and one particularly bad game makes someone automatically a choker. Is it just because Jim Irsay put that out there, and people are believing it?

When he was here, Kirk Cousins had his bad moments in key games, but I wouldn't necessarily call him a choker.

I think Wentz has a lot to prove, but I feel many fans and some people in the media, have bought in to what Irsay has been putting out there.

Add to that the fact the said player didn't choked the said particular game nearly as much as he's made out to have done, and that the team (defense, receiving corps and Oline) choked it out maybe more than he did, and you have yourself a very lazy narrative.
Wentz had his bad moments for sure, more so in the Raiders game the week before than in the final game. But he had a way better season than people think IMO.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Add to that the fact the said player didn't choked the said particular game nearly as much as he's made out to have done, and that the team (defense, receiving corps and Oline) choked it out maybe more than he did, and you have yourself a very lazy narrative.
Wentz had his bad moments for sure, more so in the Raiders game the week before than in the final game. But he had a way better season than people think IMO.

Not such a lazy narrative. So what you're saying is that he had "bad moments" in the 16th and 17th games of the season with the PLAYOFFS on the line but he didn't choke? Those "bad moments" were some of the worst plays by a panic-stricken QB that I've ever seen. The interception he threw from his own end zone was atrocious. On the other hand, he ran up his stats in early season games which were not in the must win category. BFD. They lost their last chance game to the Jaguars, for Pete's sake. So please don't criticize me for calling choking by its proper name.

Look, we all want him to succeed here but he is flawed so don't start thinking that we are set at QB. "We'll see" is the best I can say about him at this time.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Not such a lazy narrative. So what you're saying is that he had "bad moments" in the 16th and 17th games of the season with the PLAYOFFS on the line but he didn't choke? Those "bad moments" were some of the worst plays by a panic-stricken QB that I've ever seen. The interception he threw from his own end zone was atrocious. On the other hand, he ran up his stats in early season games which were not in the must win category. BFD. They lost their last chance game to the Jaguars, for Pete's sake. So please don't criticize me for calling choking by its proper name.

Look, we all want him to succeed here but he is flawed so don't start thinking that we are set at QB. "We'll see" is the best I can say about him at this time.

The Jags matched up well against Indy. Wentz had a bad game sure, is he the best QB in the NFL, nope. His he the best we could get at this time, yup. Is he better then what we had last year, YUP!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Not such a lazy narrative. So what you're saying is that he had "bad moments" in the 16th and 17th games of the season with the PLAYOFFS on the line but he didn't choke? Those "bad moments" were some of the worst plays by a panic-stricken QB that I've ever seen. The interception he threw from his own end zone was atrocious. On the other hand, he ran up his stats in early season games which were not in the must win category. BFD. They lost their last chance game to the Jaguars, for Pete's sake. So please don't criticize me for calling choking by its proper name.

Look, we all want him to succeed here but he is flawed so don't start thinking that we are set at QB. "We'll see" is the best I can say about him at this time.

I don't have a problem with you calling his performance a choke, because that is what it was. I just don't think he has a history of choking to be consider a choker.

I keep saying that Wentz has a lot to prove, given his history, that being said, I feel like people have bought too much on the negative narrative that has come out of Indy. And yes, the bad plays speak for themselves, but let's not forget that an NFL owner, with tons of resources, has gone out of his way to create negative press about him to try to justify his terrible decisions.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Not such a lazy narrative. So what you're saying is that he had "bad moments" in the 16th and 17th games of the season with the PLAYOFFS on the line but he didn't choke? Those "bad moments" were some of the worst plays by a panic-stricken QB that I've ever seen. The interception he threw from his own end zone was atrocious. On the other hand, he ran up his stats in early season games which were not in the must win category. BFD. They lost their last chance game to the Jaguars, for Pete's sake. So please don't criticize me for calling choking by its proper name.

Look, we all want him to succeed here but he is flawed so don't start thinking that we are set at QB. "We'll see" is the best I can say about him at this time.

I don't think "we'll see" is an unfair take to have about Wentz at this time. I think he was the best option this team could get at the time, but it's true that he was let go by 2 teams for some reasons, and if he was still the 2017 Wentz he wouldn't be on our team.

All I'm saying is the narrative that he choked the playoffs away needs to be tempered.
He had an off game against the Raiders coming of just having Covid, maybe not sick but screwed up preparation and he was just off.
Against the Jags he had a couple of drives where he forced some throws and one of them ended up in an ugly INT, but apart from that he was having a very decent day, had some beautiful throws repeatedly dropped by his receivers, his Oline couldn't block, the running game couldn't get half a yard on 3rd/4rd and short, and the defense made Jacksonville look like Kansas City... He didn't choke that game, the whole team did.

Now, is it legit, from those 2 games and his career since his injury, to be aware that he has some mental toughness issues and isn't Tom Brady in the face of adversity ? For sure. But to run away with it and say we're shaky at QB is a stretch IMO. We have a legit starter, coming with some question marks, and probably not our long awaited franchise QB, but an improvement above what we had.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I already know all about his toolset. What's that got to do with his main problem which is choking? Once a player chokes like he did at Indy, it's very hard for the other players to ever trust him again. That's why Irsay wanted him gone. If he does well this season until he chokes away our chance to make the playoffs he'll be gone from here, too. That's why our QB room is unsettled. Let's hope he's seeing a sports psychologist.

Most champions have a big game they haven't played their best in. Give the guy a chance and realize how much talent this dude has. There's a reason he was the #2 overall pick in the draft. He's only 29 years old again and has plenty of NFL life left. It is very hard to find a qb with the sheer physical talent he has. Up to him and the coaches for him to take his game to the next level.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by WCommandersfan99

Most champions have a big game they haven't played their best in. Give the guy a chance and realize how much talent this dude has. There's a reason he was the #2 overall pick in the draft. He's only 29 years old again and has plenty of NFL life left. It is very hard to find a qb with the sheer physical talent he has. Up to him and the coaches for him to take his game to the next level.

He'll get his chance no matter what this retired geezer thinks. So we'll see what happens. My only point is that he was shown the door by two NFL teams in two consecutive seasons for many of the same reasons. So it is naive to think that our QB room is set. Nevertheless, I always root for young people to succeed so I hope he has a great season in 2022.

[WCommandersfan99]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

He'll get his chance no matter what this retired geezer thinks. So we'll see what happens. My only point is that he was shown the door by two NFL teams in two consecutive seasons for many of the same reasons. So it is naive to think that our QB room is set. Nevertheless, I always root for young people to succeed so I hope he has a great season in 2022.

Fair enough. I agree Wentz has had issues before. However, I like the skillset he brings to the table which is uncoachable. Radical improvement in arm strength over Heinicke. Not just some but huge. We are loaded with deep threats on the team. The staff is in year 3 and needs to show something. Wentz has all the tools. Let's make it work is all I'm advocating.