Campbell or Brunell in 2006?

[mooby]

I say we go with Brunell until he either:
A. Gets injured, because we all know how he plays when he's injured
B. Just generally sucks ass, or does not perform up to expectations.
The reason is, because Campbell has only learned for a year. Give him a few extra games, or another year on the bench, if Brunell can consistently play at a high level. There is no reason to put such a young quarterback out there. In case you don't know who J.P. Losman is, he was a second year quarterback for the Bills this year. They let Bledsoe go because they thought Losman would be ready to go as well. Instead, they wound up with a horrible record and Losman didn't even start the full season because he sucked so bad. I could see the same thing happening to us if we started Campbell on opening day.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mooby

I say we go with Brunell until he either:
A. Gets injured, because we all know how he plays when he's injured
B. Just generally sucks ass, or does not perform up to expectations.
The reason is, because Campbell has only learned for a year. Give him a few extra games, or another year on the bench, if Brunell can consistently play at a high level. There is no reason to put such a young quarterback out there. In case you don't know who J.P. Losman is, he was a second year quarterback for the Bills this year. They let Bledsoe go because they thought Losman would be ready to go as well. Instead, they wound up with a horrible record and Losman didn't even start the full season because he sucked so bad. I could see the same thing happening to us if we started Campbell on opening day.

But it could be like the Bengals, who benched a solid vet in Kitna to get Palmer playing time in 2004. The teams' and Palmers' performance in 2005 showed that it was probably worth it.

[irish]

There is no way Gibbs will turn a playoff contending team over to an unproven QB. MB will be the starter next year and if he gets another WR will do just fine.

[jdlea]

Let's say, though, that the team contends and does the same next year under Brunell? How long do we live and die by him? I'm not even injecting my own opinion, I just want to know when people think we should turn it over to Campbell if we don't do it next year.

[CooleyFan]

Why is Patrick Ramsey not getting a chance? I know he's a dumb redneck, but he showed savvy with Spurrier, and we should work on him.. we should have Ramsey and Campbell play out practice to be number 2, and whoever shines through, thats who we should put the job of a long term answer on.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CooleyFan

Why is Patrick Ramsey not getting a chance? I know he's a dumb redneck, but he showed savvy with Spurrier, and we should work on him.. we should have Ramsey and Campbell play out practice to be number 2, and whoever shines through, thats who we should put the job of a long term answer on.

1. He makes bad decisions.
2. He holds on to the ball too long.
3. When he's hit, he fumbles, a lot.
4. His leadership skills (allegedly) are lacking.
5. He doesn't have the 'it factor' that successful NFL QB have.
6. and most importantly, the coaching staff doesn't trust him.

He's gone, deal with it.

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by CooleyFan

Why is Patrick Ramsey not getting a chance? I know he's a dumb redneck, but he showed savvy with Spurrier, and we should work on him.. we should have Ramsey and Campbell play out practice to be number 2, and whoever shines through, thats who we should put the job of a long term answer on.

Did anyone else see Peyton's feet jumping up and down in his "one" playoff game this year. He reminded me of Patrick. The following is a dialogue actually removed from Patrick's mind last year.

"Oh god, Oh god, Oh god, Oh god" I could read his mind by looking at his cha cha 'ing feet.

So what he is tough, he's also perpetually scared.

[Monksdown]

Matty,

you are a wimp.

[Carnage]

who the hell cares? Ramsey was are starter on opening day, for about ten minutes!

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by irish

There is no way Gibbs will turn a playoff contending team over to an unproven QB. MB will be the starter next year and if he gets another WR will do just fine.

Yeah, he didn't do that with Schroeder and Rypien

[MTK]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Yeah, he didn't do that with Schroeder and Rypien

Big difference though, Campbell has 1 year under his belt, Ryp and Schroeder were stashed on the Skins roster for alot longer than that before they saw action.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Big difference though, Campbell has 1 year under his belt, Ryp and Schroeder were stashed on the Skins roster for alot longer than that before they saw action.

Well I think Schroeder was just a rookie when he was thrust into action, but that was out of necessity when Joey T when down.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Big difference though, Campbell has 1 year under his belt, Ryp and Schroeder were stashed on the Skins roster for alot longer than that before they saw action.

Schroeder's first year in the NFL was 1985. He was the starter in 1986.
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/SchrJa00.htm

Rypien's first year in the NFL was 1988. He was the starter for most of 1989.
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/RypiMa00.htm

Now, granted, they were 24 and 26 respectively, and I have no clue what they were doing before then. However, I don't think that makes a difference in proving the point - there is no arguing this shows that Gibbs has demonstrated he isn't afraid to start inexperienced QBs that he believes in.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Schroeder's first year in the NFL was 1985. He was the starter in 1986.
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/SchrJa00.htm

Rypien's first year in the NFL was 1988. He was the starter for most of 1989.
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/RypiMa00.htm

Now, granted, they were 24 and 26 respectively, and I have no clue what they were doing before then. However, I don't think that makes a difference in proving the point - there is no arguing this shows that Gibbs has demonstrated he isn't afraid to start inexperienced QBs that he believes in.

I believe Rypien was stashed on IR in 1987, technically his first year in the league.

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1064

Same deal with Schroeder, stashed on IR in 1984. He was taken in the 3rd round in '84.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/years/1984

Yeah I know we're splitting hairs here, point is they both still had more experience than Campbell would if he were to play next year.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Yeah, he didn't do that with Schroeder and Rypien

Haha....good point! Of course, he didn't have a choice with Schroeder, but Doug Williams - a veteran - won us the Super Bowl!