Brandon Lloyd

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by dgack

I think most people believe Lloyd could be a decent receiver. The question is how much we're paying to get him. I am in no rush to buy the next Peerless Price.

As to the "don't pay too much" part - I agree. But remember, unlike Price, we are not bringing Lloyd here to be the "go to" option. Also, Price did not have a solid option opposite him. Those factors just won't be true here. It is Moss who will demand double coverage not Lloyd. Over the course of last season, teams learned: Single cover Moss and get burned - one of the reasons our offense slowed down during the second half of the season is b/c teams were blanketing Moss (in the Seattle game they often had 3 guys on him).

Originally Posted by dgack

Again, when you're throwing all game long in desperation mode, why wouldn't you get a lot more chances to catch footballs? Santana was "the other option" on a run first team, for cripes' sake.

SF had one of the crappiest offenses in the league. If not THE crappiest.
Moss may have been the "other option on a run first team" but at least it was an offense that could score and sustain drives. If SF's offense goes 3 and out and the other teams takes its sweet time driving the ball, I don't care if your "throwing all game long in desperation" - you're still only going to get limited chances. Certainly, Moss and Lloyd were close enough in "targeted passes" to indicate that they were roughly equivalent in terms of their respective roles in their respective offenses.

Also, as for the target/reception ratio, which are the lower percentage passes? - The long "desparation" passes. What - by your own terms, was SF throwing to Lloyd? Long desparation passes.

The "targeted receiver" stat is probably a much better reflection as to how much a player was intergrated into the attack than the target/reception ratio is as an indicator of how good a reciever the player is. There are any number of reasons why LLoyds reception ratio may be low; quite a few of them out of his control. Given SF's overall team (offensive and defensive) flaws (did Smith throw a TD pass last year? I don't think so), however, I would suggest that, although Moss may have done better than Lloyd in SF, I wouldn't bet on it.

Put Lloyd in a decent offense, with a solid option opposite him and I bet he explodes.

Bottom line: If Gibbs thinks Lloyd is worth a 2 and 5 or 3 and 4, I see no reason to doubt him.

[That Guy]

if JJ is willing to move, why aren't we pursuing him instead? or curtis?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

There are any number of reasons why LLoyds reception ratio may be low; quite a few of them out of his control.

there's also the outside chance that maybe, just maybe, he dropped a lot of catchable balls.

[Dirtbag59]

NFL Network just noted the visit but right under Lloyds name they said traded for a 2006 3rd round and a 2007 4th round.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

NFL Network just noted the visit but right under Lloyds name they said traded for a 2006 3rd round and a 2007 4th round.

That is high!!!

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by RedskinPete

That is high!!!

Do you really think so? I mean what WR are we going to get in the 3rd round of this years draft that would be able to be productive for us this year? I mean look at what everyone said last year about Moss coming to us...

[SkinsLB5607]

Finally we have joined the rest of the league.... If he keeps his mouth shut and his head on right then he'll do awesome for us

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Do you really think so? I mean what WR are we going to get in the 3rd round of this years draft that would be able to be productive for us this year? I mean look at what everyone said last year about Moss coming to us...

that's a good point. some WRs might end up better, but lloyd is known and can help NOW, not in three years when he's adjusted to the NFL. Orr will be available in the 3rd and he's tall (6'2.4") and fast, but doesn't play up to his numbers/ability as of yet and may or may not ever reach his potential.

[bigm29]

[dgack]

So here we go, folks. For the record I can live with a 3rd and 4th round pick for this guy. When they originally started talking about two 2nd rounders I thought that was insane, but this isn't too bad.

I'm still not convinced he's as good as some people around here want him to be, but OTOH I have no doubts he'll be a better WR2 than Patten or Jacobs ever was. And all I really want out of a WR2 is a guy who defenses have to respect a little because he can play, who every now and then can step up and maybe even break a game if Santana's having an off week.

Lloyd *might* be able to fill that bill.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by bigm29

http://waumadscn7.eastbay.com/is/ima...LOYD&$ENLARGE$

that picture reminded me about danerien. I am going to look at his webpage once i figure out how to spell his damn name.

well
http://darnerien.com/

is he still with the eagles

[dgack]

Originally Posted by bigm29

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by dgack

[That Guy]

that's good.