Ramsey update

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Kind of like some peoples man crush on Joe Gibbs . My point was only that Ramsey didn't get a fair shake as compared to his peers. I agree that he's basically ruined now. While I do how he can salvage his career somewhere, he's probably going to be stuck in a backup role for the rest of it.

Difference is Gibbs is worthy of a man crush Three Super Bowl rings is a little different than a handful of abysmal seasons as a QB.

The real point you need to grasp is that, yes, Ramsey maybe didn't get as much a chance as Carr or Harrington - maybe that's cause none of the three deserved that much of a chance. Your argument that we should give Ramsey as much a shot as the other two will have this team turning out like the Texans and Lions, which is NOT where we want to be.

[MTK]

You can accuse me all day of man crushing Gibbs, he's earned it.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Actually, I understand that point perfectly. Gibbs said before that start of last season, that Ramsey was his guy, even though we all found out very quickly, that Ramsey was NOT his guy. I used the term "blackmalled" for affect, but at the very least, Gibbs lied.

or maybe he changed his mind after watching him play poorly and brunell play much better.

[Monkeydad]

I'm glad we've unloaded Ramsey. He had a strong arm for sure, but he never matured mentally as a pro QB. In his third year, he STILL played like a rookie. Something was wrong upstairs with him. I'm not saying he's dumb, just not able to handle the pressure of an NFL QB.

Stats were mentioned, but numbers don't show things like STUPID interceptions thrown near the opposing team's goal line, fumbles, bad decisions and overall bad play. Ramsey could throw a 50 yard TD in the first quarter and then throw a game-costing pick at the end of the game. When Brunell replaced him, I was so relieved.

[That Guy]

oh yeah, if we give give him three years of starting games and he did prove to be better than carr or harrington by just a bit, you know what that means? we'd probably have 3 years of bad QB play and a terrible record to go with it

he didn't exactly blow people away.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Difference is Gibbs is worthy of a man crush Three Super Bowl rings is a little different than a handful of abysmal seasons as a QB.

The real point you need to grasp is that, yes, Ramsey maybe didn't get as much a chance as Carr or Harrington - maybe that's cause none of the three deserved that much of a chance. Your argument that we should give Ramsey as much a shot as the other two will have this team turning out like the Texans and Lions, which is NOT where we want to be.

I think we gave Ramsey TOO MANY chances. He plays like a rookie QB every year. His mistakes are understandable for a rookie or even second-year player, but when you're still making rookie mistakes when you've played for 3 years, something tells me you're not cut out to be a starter in the NFL.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You can accuse me all day of man crushing Gibbs, he's earned it.

And we all know it takes some serious accomplishments to earn a man crush from Matty. Lord knows I've been trying for a while.

[Schneed10]

1) Carr and Harrington never had to compete with a former pro-bowler who took the Jaguars to the AFC Championship game in the 90s. If they had, they would have been yanked a long time ago. Hell, Harrington gave way to Jeff Garcia and Mike McMahon at times. The fact that they "earned" their way onto the field doesn't say anything about them; it says that the Detriot and Houston front offices suck at finding backup QBs. There's a reason they're mired in such losing situations right now.

2) I've been saying it for AGES; Ramsey is inaccurate as hell, especially on deep balls. I'm not surprised at all that he is having trouble hitting receivers in camp. I never saw him throw bombs with any semblance of accuracy while he was here; he can throw the short patterns on a rope, but long bombs and touch passes, he flat out SUCKS. That's reality. He's not a starting NFL quarterback, that's just reality.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Career Numbers:

Joey Harrington - Average of 186 yards per start. Two more picks than TD's for his career. 68.1 career QB Rating.

David Carr - Average of 180 yards per start. Five more picks than TD's for his career. 73.7 career QB Rating.

Patrick Ramsey - Average of 235 yards per start. Five more TD's than picks for his career. 75.0 career QB Rating.

And yet, Carr and Harrington have each "earned" 30+ more starts than Ramsey...

So you say that Harrington and Carr are not as good as Ramsey but to prove that Ramsey is talented you compare his stat to their's. Ok. So if other team stick with non producing QB's we should too?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So you say that Harrington and Carr are not as good as Ramsey but to prove that Ramsey is talented you compare his stat to their's. Ok. So if other team stick with non producing QB's we should too?

No, actually he was responding to someone who challenged him to show proof that he is better than Harrington and Carr...

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So you say that Harrington and Carr are not as good as Ramsey but to prove that Ramsey is talented you compare his stat to their's. Ok. So if other team stick with non producing QB's we should too?

I was trying to let this thread die, mainly because I don't feel like debating with a dozen "He's not on the team anymore, so now I hate him" Redskins fans. Again, my only point was Ramsey didn't get as much support as his contemporaries. I agree that he's probably lost the ability to become a #1 quarterback at this point in his career.

And as far as non producing QB's, the Redskins have had one(two if you count Brunells "Pro Bowl worthy" season last year) quarterback who has actually produced in the last twelve seasons...

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I was trying to let this thread die, mainly because I don't feel like debating with a dozen "He's not on the team anymore, so now I hate him" Redskins fans. Again, my only point was Ramsey didn't get as much support as his contemporaries. I agree that he's probably lost the ability to become a #1 quarterback at this point in his career.

And as far as non producing QB's, the Redskins have had one(two if you count Brunells "Pro Bowl worthy" season last year) quarterback who has actually produced in the last twelve seasons...

There's your first mistake - Ramsey related threads don't die.

See, I just had to come here and post again...it's like a disease.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Again, my only point was Ramsey didn't get as much support as his contemporaries. I agree that he's probably lost the ability to become a #1 quarterback at this point in his career.

Well, I agree he didn't have the greatest support, but i don't really think he "lost" the ability to be a #1 as much as he never had it and just didn't have enough reps to show his true skill level as fast as those other two. He throws deep balls like javelins and that's just not an easy thing to correct at this point in a career.

[JWsleep]

Who's Ramsey?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Who's Ramsey?

Nice. That's in the running to be my August sig. You can sponsor it...

Matty, I didn't think you'd actually post this article but I'm glad you did.