Can We Bench Brunell Now

[MTK]

How about we talk about benching the entire defense?

That was the real problem today if you ask me. Travis freaking Henry with a career day.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

How about we talk about benching the entire defense?

That was the real problem today if you ask me. Travis freaking Henry with a career day.

I agree that the defense was God awful. However, Matty, it's getting pretty hard to defend Brunell. Brunell did not do anything right. He can't throw deep, he threw into the ground on 5 yard hitch routes, he threw into double and triple coverage, he wasn't getting that much pressure, he wasted timeouts in the 4th quarter due to delays of game, etc.

If Brunell had the letters R-A-M-S-E-Y on the back of his jersey and wasn't Gibbs' handpicked boy, he'd be a free agent by now. (BTW, No I am not trying to revive the Ramsey debate, I am just pointing out that Brunell is sucking big ass right now).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I agree that the defense was God awful. However, Matty, it's getting pretty hard to defend Brunell. Brunell did not do anything right. He can't throw deep, he threw into the ground on 5 yard hitch routes, he threw into double and triple coverage, he wasn't getting that much pressure, he wasted timeouts in the 4th quarter due to delays of game, etc.

If Brunell had the letters R-A-M-S-E-Y on the back of his jersey and wasn't Gibbs' handpicked boy, he'd be a free agent by now. (BTW, No I am not trying to revive the Ramsey debate, I am just pointing out that Brunell is sucking big ass right now).

I'm not defending him, I just thought the piss poor defense was the bigger issue yet here we are again acting like switching QBs is going to solve everything. We have much bigger problems right now.

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not defending him, I just thought the piss poor defense was the bigger issue yet here we are again acting like switching QBs is going to solve everything. We have much bigger problems right now.

I dont think anyone expects Campbell to light the world on fire, but I think everyone sees that we have much bigger problems right now and its not getting fixed. This team is going no where and its time for Campbell to take his licks and learn how to play QB so maybe we can be good next year.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not defending him, I just thought the piss poor defense was the bigger issue yet here we are again acting like switching QBs is going to solve everything. We have much bigger problems right now.

I totally agree that the defense was a HUGE problem. I also don't think that switching QBs is going to dramatically change our team's fortunes. However, it's about time to admit that Brunell is cooked and it's time to start playing for the future.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not defending him, I just thought the piss poor defense was the bigger issue yet here we are again acting like switching QBs is going to solve everything. We have much bigger problems right now.

I'd say the problems with Brunell and the defense are about even. He was making un-veteran-like mistakes towards the end of the game, while being focused on Moss who was triple covered numerous times. Somebody else said it, if a rookie would make the same mistakes Brunell is making, what's the difference? It's not like he's giving us veteran leadership to win when the game is on the line. Those were desperation heaves we saw in the 4th quarter.

With the defense, we have what we have. The defensive line sucks, the secondary sucks and the linebackers are non-existant. Williams doesn't have anyone else he can replace. Gibbs on the other hand, has two options that he refuses to try.

[hurrykaine]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not defending him, I just thought the piss poor defense was the bigger issue yet here we are again acting like switching QBs is going to solve everything. We have much bigger problems right now.

Matty..would you agree that the Titans offense is better than their defense? They had a great day rushing against the Colts last week. For us to score just 22 against that defense at home is inexcusable. Just like the Raiders game last year, where we scored 10.

The problem with Brunell is this - he's suffering from the ole' Shane Matthews syndrome. Great for 1 and a half quarters and completely ineffective thereafter. His last 5 passes of the game were laughable. Almost 4 INT's in 5 passes. Dude sucks!

I didn't check to see who let the Dartmouth kid come straight through and block Frost's punt. That guy better get a verbal bitchslap from the coaching staff.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I'm not defending him, I just thought the piss poor defense was the bigger issue yet here we are again acting like switching QBs is going to solve everything. We have much bigger problems right now.

I agree, I really don't have much faith in the abilty of Campbell as I have always felt it was a mistake to give up so much for a 1 year wonder college QB, but at least I know Campbell has a fighting chance to prove me wrong and I hope he does. As for Brunell? Well Matty you know there is a great big I told you so on the near horizon. Say what you want [and you know I never have a problem creating another Ramsey debate] but who honestly would have been the better choice at the start of the season? Campbell wasen't ready to lead what we all thought was a playoff team, and Collins is a joke, and we can all see what Brunell really brings to the table, any team with a well coached defense can shut him down as we saw today, we saw a not overly talented defense, but a well coached defense just make Brunell look like a rookie.

But GM Joe refuses to admit that he has no clue when it comes to talent evaluation, the scary part though is he can't even evaluate established NFL talent. And so we wait and watch as GM Joe continues to try and drive a square peg through a round hole in Brunell to justify the very first move he made as coach, is Ramsey the second coming of Peyton Manning? Of coarse not, is he better than Pennnington? No. But he's probably every bit as good as Eli Manning especially if given a support group around him, [and with playing time he could have evolved into a much better QB] and he's better than anything we have right now. Not that it really matters, but we need a real QB regardless of who it may be and we don't have one.

Here's the biggest problem with what Gibbs has done so far, as I said when we drafted Campbell, you do not give up what we gave up to sit him on the bench for 2 or maybe 3 years, what happens if Campbell doesn't see the field until next season and then we spend another year finding out he can't play? Or we find out he needs 3 years of playing time to really come of age? That's a real problem! Maybe we get lucky and he steps in and we never look back, but if he can't beat out Brunell at this point in both of thier careers than we just have problems upon problems.


And before we start calling Saunders out lets remember he's a proven genious at O-coordinator everywhere he's been, so what is wrong with this picture? I will give you a hint it starts with B and ends with runell!

[Gibbs'IllegitChild]

maybe gibbs has stock in brunell jerseys

[Daseal]

Actually, Brunell just got outplayed by a rookie. A rookie with less talent in both the line and skill positions.

[RTerps2002]

One thing is for sure I won't waste any more of my life rooting for Brunell. Gibbs has to realize that he dosen't have enough time left to be loyal.

[DynamiteRave]

Is playing Campbell any worse than playing Brunell? At least Campbell has fresh legs and doesn't have a noodle arm.

Might as well take a risk now.

[Daseal]

Matty -- the last 4 plays of that game Mark Brunell threw 3 almost interceptions, till he finally completed one to the Titans.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

fuck the whole team, sure, a lot was marks fault but we didnt even have a defense today at all.....fuck em all, offense defense special teams, coaches and the fucking COLORS!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Brunell is playing as well this season as he did least season despite having more weapons at his disposal than any other QB in the league (TE, RB, WR, OL).