Does Campbell end the 'Cover 2' excuse?

[MTK]

I agree that it's not fair to judge ARE and Lloyd just yet... have they really had an honest chance to display their abilities?

I really don't think so.

I think given their limited opportunities they've looked pretty good. Lloyd has shown that he can stretch the field, and ARE has shown a nice ability to find holes in the coverage.

I'm really excited to see what they can do with a QB that has the ability to stretch the field.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Speaking of Randle El and Lloyd, have they not caught basically anything reasonable thrown their way? I don't think it's them being busts. We'll get a good idea within two to three games of Campbell's tenure if they were busts or not.

[The Zimmermans]

Lloyd is showing flashes of brilliance whenever the ball gets near him as of late, he should definitely be our redzone option in the passing game, he can go up and get the ball like a big receiver. Randal El's presence in the punt return game is crucial, always gives us a shot to break a big return, and we need to keep cartwright on KOR because he's got great speed and reads the seems very well. I don't think randal el is a good KOR because he's mistake prone and not as strong of a runner as cartwright. Rock is fumble prone so I don't konw of other teams will be after him, i think we should resign him.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

And as has been mentioned many times, how nice is it to sit back on a punt and KNOW that it's not going to be a fumble and that every time he touches the ball, there's a chance at it going all the way.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

And as has been mentioned many times, how nice is it to sit back on a punt and KNOW that it's not going to be a fumble and that every time he touches the ball, there's a chance at it going all the way.

Well, I'd be surprised if he NEVER fumbled in a Redskin uniform, but your point is well taken.

His versatility has certainly been a breath of fresh air, and his running and even throwing has propelled our still top 10 efficency rating (we dropped 3 spots after the Phili game if anyone cares). Even though it's narrow minded to look only at Randle El's receiving, he's been not so great so far. Between drops and not getting first downs that are right there...he's left more to be desired in that aspect of his game.

Worse than replacement doesn't mean that he CAN'T (or isn't) get the job done. It means he's not doing a job quite as well as some guy on the waiver wire (who doesn't completely suck) could.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, I'd be surprised if he NEVER fumbled in a Redskin uniform, but your point is well taken.

His versatility has certainly been a breath of fresh air, and his running and even throwing has propelled our still top 10 efficency rating (we dropped 3 spots after the Phili game if anyone cares). Even though it's narrow minded to look only at Randle El's receiving, he's been not so great so far. Between drops and not getting first downs that are right there...he's left more to be desired in that aspect of his game.

Worse than replacement doesn't mean that he CAN'T (or isn't) get the job done. It means he's not doing a job quite as well as some guy on the waiver wire (who doesn't completely suck) could.

Here is my question... does anyone think that with TO, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice in his prime, etc, that they would have put up better stats than Lloyd and Randle El in this offense?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Here is my question... does anyone think that with TO, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice in his prime, etc, that they would have put up better stats than Lloyd and Randle El in this offense?

Yes they would. Of course, the entire offense would have been very different so that everyones stats would be different. For better or worse, we would be doing things much differently.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by illdefined

all the receivers are REALLY going to try and get separation now, because they know Campbell has the arm to really get it to them. even out of the pocket. the whole character of this team has changed. watch and see.

If I can go back to this tired point for one second. Great, thanks.

Wasn't it you who said yesterday that Brunell's stats were so great because of "supreme efforts from great players"?

If so, how supreme are the efforts going to be now that Campbell is in? Can they get to a level of such supremity that we will never lose again? If so what do we have to do to bring out this sort of effort in them?

What we could do is get some high school scrub to play QB and then Randle El and Lloyd will try so damn hard that no one this side of the Atlantic could tackle them!

Of course I'm being ridiculous...but at least I'm not contradicting myself.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

His versatility has certainly been a breath of fresh air, and his running and even throwing has propelled our still top 10 efficency rating (we dropped 3 spots after the Phili game if anyone cares). Even though it's narrow minded to look only at Randle El's receiving, he's been not so great so far. Between drops and not getting first downs that are right there...he's left more to be desired in that aspect of his game.

Worse than replacement doesn't mean that he CAN'T (or isn't) get the job done. It means he's not doing a job quite as well as some guy on the waiver wire (who doesn't completely suck) could.

Wow... it's funny how some people are able to point out Randle El's flaws, in spite of the fact that he gets about four offensive touches a game, and yet Brunell, who touches the ball on every offensive play, can do no wrong...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Wow... it's funny how some people are able to point out Randle El's flaws, in spite of the fact that he gets about four offensive touches a game, and yet Brunell, who touches the ball on every offensive play, can do no wrong...

Wha? I'm just using the DPAR metric to show how Brunell has been much better than average this season, and Randle El hasn't been replacement level. No one said anything about "doing no wrong".

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Wow... it's funny how some people are able to point out Randle El's flaws, in spite of the fact that he gets about four offensive touches a game, and yet Brunell, who touches the ball on every offensive play, can do no wrong...

As a pass catcher, Randel-el has shown nothing to indicate he isn't just mediocre at the position.

As a football player, he's shown incredible potential, and sustained glimpses of brilliance. He is an awesome person to have on your team. You cannot argue against that, its not even worth it.

But as a WR soley catching passes, he hasn't been anything special. He hasn't been given the greatest oppurtunity, but I think Lloyd has made a bigger impact in the passing game. When Lloyd is thrown too, he makes plays. Randel-el has found he can make plays, just usually not catching the ball.

I still think it's pre-mature to conclude anything from this, but it's something to observe nevertheless.

Unfortunatly, No-one should over-analyse much about our stagnant season thus far... It's too filled with variables.

[hesscl34]

Lloyd, Randles El AND Moss!

[SmootSmack]

Is GTripp vs. Ill going to be the undercard for Hess vs. That Guy? These are the questions that truly need answers

[The Zimmermans]

The factor that everyone ignores when comparing defense to offense is morale. When the defense forces a three and out....which is rare this season i will admit, followed by a three and out by our offense, what do you think happens.................the defense is not only tired, but loses morale and motivation knowing the offense isnt producing. You cannot look at rankings, because with all the rankings taken into account the skins D ranks dead last in the league, 30th yards given up and last in forced turnovers and sacks (pretty bad). There is no way that you could truly think that the skins actually have the worst defense in the league. The offense is the main reason the defense is ranked so low, with that many possessoins for the other team, the yards are gonna add up, however, we have been getting some crucial stops at the end of games, with our offense following it up with a three and out. I believe we have a slightly below average defense, they just need the morale boost. Hopefully campbell is that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

The factor that everyone ignores when comparing defense to offense is morale. When the defense forces a three and out....which is rare this season i will admit, followed by a three and out by our offense, what do you think happens.................the defense is not only tired, but loses morale and motivation knowing the offense isnt producing. You cannot look at rankings, because with all the rankings taken into account the skins D ranks dead last in the league, 30th yards given up and last in forced turnovers and sacks (pretty bad). There is no way that you could truly think that the skins actually have the worst defense in the league. The offense is the main reason the defense is ranked so low, with that many possessoins for the other team, the yards are gonna add up, however, we have been getting some crucial stops at the end of games, with our offense following it up with a three and out. I believe we have a slightly below average defense, they just need the morale boost. Hopefully campbell is that.

Oww. Owwwww. Owwwww.

So you are saying that all the evidence points to us having the leagues worst D, but that couldn't be...because we're the Washington Redskins. Therefore is has to be the offense by process of elimination? Is that so? Damn...I was way off.

The Defense is the main reason they are ranked so low. Offenses against us have horrible average starting field position. But we give up so many points against. First of all, is that not the mark of a terrible defense? Second of all, would that not be more demoralizing to the offense than the offense is to the defense?

Why would Campbell boost the morale of the team any more than the loss of Portis would lower it? Portis is the lifeblood of the offense.