Im done....Gibbs must go.

[The Zimmermans]

The blame has to be put on Snyder and Gibbs this year because they are the decision makers, and everything starts with them. But, just because we lost this year does not mean that Gibbs can't make it right, next year is another year, and as long as we don't overhaul the offense, things should improve. Gibb's is a proven winner and there is no reason to replace him just because we lost. Sometimes you gotta work with what you got, and Gibbs is who we got, for hopefully a long time.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mason4415

the logic is that the NFL is a lot different than it was 20 years ago. times have changed. so should we... gibbs doesn't know how to coach in the "new" NFL.

What do you mean the "new" NFL? He did make the playoffs in the new NFL didn't he? The Steelers, a team whose offense basically stems from the Gibbs philosophy did win the Super Bowl in the new NFL, didn't they?

[mason4415]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I reject that argument categorically.

even last year, when we made the playoffs... it was like pulling teeth. he (and brunell) were both bailed out by the unbelievable play of the defense!

[irish]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I don't think he thought he was rebuilding the O by bringing in Saunders. I think he thought he was just modernizing and enhancing it.

I see your point but I'm sure Gibbs knew what AS was going to do with the O (700 page playbook) and had to realize it was going to be more of a rebuild than a modernization.

That leads me to another question, why did he think the O needed modernized when what they were doing was good enough to get them to the playoffs? It would have only gotten better with more time & practice during the offseason. I think Gibbs was confused thinking the problem was with the scheme instead of a QB that was way past his prime.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mason4415

with the current roster (which is a whopping 4-8) minus the free agents we lose, we are sitting at $105 million for 2007... granted, we may be able to cut a player or two, but we also need to fill a full roster (which, at minumum salaries will cost us anywhere from $7mm - $8mm).

by saying that we're in cap hell, all i'm saying is that we have absolute ZERO flexibility. and that what you see on the field is what we're going to get for at least another year!

With cuts and renegotiated contracts we'll be fine, always are.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mason4415

even last year, when we made the playoffs... it was like pulling teeth. he (and brunell) were both bailed out by the unbelievable play of the defense!

Good point. I forgot that our running game did absolutely nothing down the stretch. If only Gibbs had gotten involved with that

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Good point. I forgot that our running game did absolutely nothing down the stretch. If only Gibbs had gotten involved with that

Right, an offense that ranked 11th overall in yardage and 13th overall in points had nothing to do with anything.

Didn't you see the playoff game against TB? The season should be judged on that one game you know.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

I see your point but I'm sure Gibbs knew what AS was going to do with the O (700 page playbook) and had to realize it was going to be more of a rebuild than a modernization.

That leads me to another question, why did he think the O needed modernized when what they were doing was good enough to get them to the playoffs? It would have only gotten better with more time & practice during the offseason. I think Gibbs was confused thinking the problem was with the scheme instead of a QB that was way past his prime.

Well honestly I think he was trying to transition to a post-Gibbs era. Bring Saunders in now, then in a year or two the players (most importantly Campbell) would ideally have the offense mastered. I wish it was someone like Byner who could work his way up the ranks and succeed Gibbs as the offensive mastermind, or even better have Grimm back. But Gibbs thought Saunders was the guy.

I think Saunders is, to steal a word, "supersmart" and the offenses can do great things under his watch. But sometimes, he needs to remember Occam's Razor.

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by mason4415

the logic is that the NFL is a lot different than it was 20 years ago. times have changed. so should we... gibbs doesn't know how to coach in the "new" NFL.

What's so new about the NFL? Power running and stopping the run are still staples of a successful NFL team. He's adjusting to the salary cap (slowly) and knows that he can no longer hide players on IR or wherever. I think the play clock is shorter now by a few seconds, but I'm not positive.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Right, an offense that ranked 11th overall in yardage and 13th overall in points had nothing to do with anything.

Didn't you see the playoff game against TB? The season should be judged on that one game you know.

The offense was not a superbowl offense last year, if it was better, we would have won the superbowl cause we HAD a superbowl defense. Despite what people say, we were far from winning a superbowl last year, far from it. Upgrading the offense was an ok decision, but maybe saunders was the wrong guy. The offense looks OK right now, we could have won yesterday with the 2005 defense, you know that. Both the tampa and Seattle games yielded pathetic offensive performances last year.

[gibbs4life]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

This Joe must go crap has to stop. The only fault I can see in the man is his loyalty to people. He was loyal to Brunell too long, and gave Saunders way to many games to get his offense working. Sauderns should have his ass chewed out big time today for allowing the momentum to turn early in the game when we could have ripped Atlanta's heart out. Saunders tries those stupid ass plays, when all we needed to do, was run right down their throats and go up 21-0 or at worst 17-0. but instead he brings out those reverse's , toss's and crap. Thats who needs to go. He does not fit in Washington!!

in short we had what we love working for us in the first quarter,redskins football.why change AL. and along with giving up 200+ yards rushing on defense aint all that impressive either....

i agree 56 fanatic.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

The offense was not a superbowl offense last year, if it was better, we would have won the superbowl cause we HAD a superbowl defense. Despite what people say, we were far from winning a superbowl last year, far from it. Upgrading the offense was an ok decision, but maybe saunders was the wrong guy. The offense looks OK right now, we could have won yesterday with the 2005 defense, you know that. Both the tampa and Seattle games yielded pathetic offensive performances last year.

The offense stumbled late with Portis and MB being banged up. I really think we could have beat Seattle if those guys were healthy and playing well.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by ArtMonkDrillz

We're 20-28 since Gibbs came back. Currently we have the same record as Green Bay, Houston, and Cleveland and only Oakland, Detroit, Tampa (who beat us), and Arizona have a worse record than us. Only 9 teams score fewer points than we do and only 6 teams allow more points than we do. We commit too many penalties and we give up too many big plays. I barely trust whatever kicker we happen to be starting on a given week to make an extra point, much less a 35+ yarder. This team seems to have no direction from week to week in terms of how it wants to play offense. We've run the same reverse play from the same spot on the field 3 weeks in a row. The entire defense spends every timeout and commercial break dancing around to the same the same 2 songs that they play over and over at FedEx rather than discussing what play they should run. And yesterday on 4th down and goal with time running out Gibbs was motioning to Campbell to spike the ball because we had jsut ran on 3rd and got stuffed (I don't know if they showed that on TV but we could see it from the stands).

I said it earlier in the season: we need to forget about what Joe Gibbs did for us in the 80's because it's almost 2007 and this team looks like it's going nowhere. I'm not saying he needs to get fired, but he needs to tighten up and we all need to stop giving him a free pass for what he did last century.

and that's my rant

I agree w/ alot of your post. Just for clarification though, Gibbs was motioning Campbell to pass on that 4th down.

[724Skinsfan]

Saunders offense is obviously a very fine offense. It takes awhile for football players, especially an offensive line, to change their mentality from "power run" to "finesse and misdirection". Both systems have shown to work just fine once all of the players adjust.

Key word of the day folks: adjust. The adjustment period is going a little slower than I think anyone expected. I wish they would keep plugging away with Saunders system rather than go back to Gibbs'. If you find yourself lacking patience as a fan, you're not alone but I don't want hiccup team that barely gets to the playoffs one year and then slips back down to mediocrity. We need continuity at every level for at 2, preferrably 3 years. This year was basically year 1 again since we brought in a new OC whose system was radically different from the preceding year.

As far as Defense goes, I say give everyone a year to regroup and let the coaches sit down and talk about communication. The secondary needs help. The d-line needs to work on pressure. The linebackers have got to be everywhere in the right postion.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

The offense was not a superbowl offense last year, if it was better, we would have won the superbowl cause we HAD a superbowl defense. Despite what people say, we were far from winning a superbowl last year, far from it. Upgrading the offense was an ok decision, but maybe saunders was the wrong guy. The offense looks OK right now, we could have won yesterday with the 2005 defense, you know that. Both the tampa and Seattle games yielded pathetic offensive performances last year.

I posted earlier that i don't think Gibbs should go but I've started questioning alot of his moves. We had a super bowl defense last year, and w/ a different qb we could have gone further. What Gibbs sees...saw in Brunell no one knows. Everybody else in the nfl world-fan world could see this was an aging backup at best. Had we brought in an above average-good qb who knows.

I want to see another year and if we don't see some improvement I think some wholesale changes need to be made. Either in the skins front office philosophy, coaching, and or personell.