Are the recievers getting open

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by Bill B

Just wondering - are the Redskins recievers getting open, Campbell or playcalling? I think our O-Line is giving enough time so I rule them out and our running game is churning out some big yards so teams are bringing 8 guys in a lot - so why is it that the Redskins not getting downfield as much.

It seemed like Issac Bruce was torching us at will and the recievers on the Rams were wide open.

Just wondering what the reason is our passing game was not clicking.

The Redskins receivers are too small which does not make for good targets for the quaterback. We need to bring in a big possession type receiver this will give us more options in the passing game than just throwing it long and praying that it gets to one of our smalish receivers who are being checked by guys who are just as fast and much taller

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

The Redskins receivers are too small which does not make for good targets for the quaterback. We need to bring in a big possession type receiver this will give us more options in the passing game than just throwing it long and praying that it gets to one of our smalish receivers who are being checked by guys who are just as fast and much taller

We've got the possession receiver that we need. He wears #47.

As for the small receivers not being big targets, Santana Moss plays the deep ball better than many many (most?) larger receivers.

I don't think a thing needs to be changed with the receivers. Just let them gel with 17. Continuity is key.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

We've got the possession receiver that we need. He wears #47.

As for the small receivers not being big targets, Santana Moss plays the deep ball better than many many (most?) larger receivers.

I don't think a thing needs to be changed with the receivers. Just let them gel with 17. Continuity is key.

Although Cooley is a very good receiving "tight end" he is NOT a receiver nor do he possess receiver skills. He is coming off blocks which limits his abilities and does not have receiver speed.

I am a huge Moss fan but in football it is not all about the "deep pass" and we need an intermediate receiver to compliment Moss' deep ball threat or defenses are going to concentrate only on him which is going to take away from some of the big plays that he can possibly make.

Options is the key and at the receiver position we do not have many at this point.

[GoSkins!]

The obvious ansewer is that the underneath receivers were open, but the Rams took away the long pass. We burned them with the underneath stuff and scored 31 points. We should win games when we score 31 points. Cooley was opened all day, and Moss was open on the comebacks. If the Rams understand how to defend anything it should be the long ball with the guys they see in practice every day.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

The obvious ansewer is that the underneath receivers were open, but the Rams took away the long pass. We burned them with the underneath stuff and scored 31 points. We should win games when we score 31 points. Cooley was opened all day, and Moss was open on the comebacks. If the Rams understand how to defend anything it should be the long ball with the guys they see in practice every day.

Yes, I thought the game plan was good at attacking what the defense gave us, but I look at the stats post game and its another day of JC completing only 50%. Too many inaccurate throws today on attempts under 10 yards. And it's not that he's not taking what hes given. The completion to Duckett was a work of art, how he came off play action (eyes downfield) to find him wide open in the flat. But for every time he did that, there were 3 missed throws of similar distance.

Right now if you take away our deep passing game, the entire passing game becomes inconsistent. Yeah we had 4 good drives today (24 pts, not going to credit the offense for scoring off that blocked punt), but we have 4+ good drives every game. The difference is that today, we finished those and put it in the endzone. Instead of 1 TD and 3 FGs (16 pts), we got 1 FG and 3 TDs (24 pts). That's encouraging.

[Bill B]

Here is a guy to ponder - Sydney Rice - 6'4" 215 lbs - who was an all freshman reciever out of South Carolina last year and had good stats this year as well, pretty darn fast and he has great hands and he did it against SEC competition. Opposing teams were double teaming him because the Gamecocks did not have another good option at WR. If he decides to come out he is projected as a late first round pick, so with all the glaring needs on defense this is most likley a pipe dream for the Skins to take. I will say he is way better than fellow Gamecock reciever Troy Williamson who went to the Vikings early and was supposed to replace Moss.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

Although Cooley is a very good receiving "tight end" he is NOT a receiver nor do he possess receiver skills. He is coming off blocks which limits his abilities and does not have receiver speed.

I am a huge Moss fan but in football it is not all about the "deep pass" and we need an intermediate receiver to compliment Moss' deep ball threat or defenses are going to concentrate only on him which is going to take away from some of the big plays that he can possibly make.

Options is the key and at the receiver position we do not have many at this point.

Sorry, but I disagree. We have enough talent at wide receiver. I think we covered that pretty well last year in free agency.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Sorry, but I disagree. We have enough talent at wide receiver. I think we covered that pretty well last year in free agency.

LOL...I think that you need to see the numbers that our receivers have put up this year

Just because we paid lots of money for receivers does not mean it was a wise investment. Our receivers are the jokes of the league but as I said in another thread, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing.

[gabe1984]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

Although Cooley is a very good receiving "tight end" he is NOT a receiver nor do he possess receiver skills. He is coming off blocks which limits his abilities and does not have receiver speed.

I am a huge Moss fan but in football it is not all about the "deep pass" and we need an intermediate receiver to compliment Moss' deep ball threat or defenses are going to concentrate only on him which is going to take away from some of the big plays that he can possibly make.

Options is the key and at the receiver position we do not have many at this point.

I disagree with what you are saying. Part of the reason why Moss is so dangerous is his ability to turn short catches into big gains; I think we all saw him do it many times last year and even a few time this year. I don't think of him as just a deep ball guy at all. In addition, I also disagree with you when you say that we do not have many options at receiver. I'm really not sure what you mean by that; Moss, ARE, and Lloyd have loads of talent. I don't think we really need to get a big receiver. Moss is strong for his size, he manages to break tackles and get out of situations where it looks like he's going to get tacked a lot. Look at other receiving groups, our receivers are really not that small.
Lloyd- 6 ft. 192lbs
Moss- 5'10 185lbs
ARE - 5'10 192lbs

Marvin Harrison - 6ft 185
Reggie Wayne - 6ft -198

Chad Johnson - 6'1 192lbs
TJ whosyourmama - 6'1 199lbs

So we are a little small, but what they lack in size they make up for in other skills. I am not totally trying to discount having a big receiver, all of KC's receivers were close to 200lb or more, so maybe Saunders is used to working with big guys, and on the Cardinals LJ weighs 226 and Boldin weighs 223, freakin huge. Plus we used to have a big guy at receiver, his name is Rod Gardner, he didn't do much.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by gabe1984

I disagree with what you are saying. Part of the reason why Moss is so dangerous is his ability to turn short catches into big gains; I think we all saw him do it many times last year and even a few time this year. I don't think of him as just a deep ball guy at all. In addition, I also disagree with you when you say that we do not have many options at receiver. I'm really not sure what you mean by that; Moss, ARE, and Lloyd have loads of talent. I don't think we really need to get a big receiver. Moss is strong for his size, he manages to break tackles and get out of situations where it looks like he's going to get tacked a lot. Look at other receiving groups, our receivers are really not that small.
Lloyd- 6 ft. 192lbs
Moss- 5'10 185lbs
ARE - 5'10 192lbs

Marvin Harrison - 6ft 185
Reggie Wayne - 6ft -198

Chad Johnson - 6'1 192lbs
TJ whosyourmama - 6'1 199lbs

So we are a little small, but what they lack in size they make up for in other skills. I am not totally trying to discount having a big receiver, all of KC's receivers were close to 200lb or more, so maybe Saunders is used to working with big guys, and on the Cardinals LJ weighs 226 and Boldin weighs 223, freakin huge. Plus we used to have a big guy at receiver, his name is Rod Gardner, he didn't do much.

Moss is a good receiver but he can not do it by himself. I do not know how you get the idea that, besides Moss that we have anything else at the receiver position. Our receivers are like 27th in the league and would not be that high if our tight end stats were not put in with theirs.

And we had another big guy and his name was Arthur Monk. Remember him?

[gabe1984]

Originally Posted by riggoraider

Moss is a good receiver but he can not do it by himself. I do not know how you get the idea that, besides Moss that we have anything else at the receiver position. Our receivers are like 27th in the league and would not be that high if our tight end stats were not put in with theirs.

And we had another big guy and his name was Arthur Monk. Remember him?

How I'm getting the idea that we have anything besides Moss at the receiver position is that we are playing with a first year starting quarterback. I believe that once he is more comfortable in the offense he will be able to hit our other receivers more frequently and they will be able to make plays. And yes, I do remember Art Monk. My opinion is that the size of the receiver does not really matter that much and I think that next year Lloyd and ARE will be more used to the offense and will run better routes and produce more.

[riggoraider]

Originally Posted by gabe1984

How I'm getting the idea that we have anything besides Moss at the receiver position is that we are playing with a first year starting quarterback. I believe that once he is more comfortable in the offense he will be able to hit our other receivers more frequently and they will be able to make plays. And yes, I do remember Art Monk. My opinion is that the size of the receiver does not really matter that much and I think that next year Lloyd and ARE will be more used to the offense and will run better routes and produce more.

The size of a receiver defiNITEly matters. Let's hope that Lloyd and ARE produce more next season but ARE is not a natural receiver and Lloyd is not one who has proven himself to be a very good NFL receiver as of yet. A good possession receiver will open up these guys for longer passes and make them more valuable assets to the team as of right now both have been liabilitites.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

We've got the possession receiver that we need. He wears #47.

As for the small receivers not being big targets, Santana Moss plays the deep ball better than many many (most?) larger receivers.

I don't think a thing needs to be changed with the receivers. Just let them gel with 17. Continuity is key.

I agree here. As much as I would like to see a 6'4 WR I think a full offseason with the same group would help out a ton. Moss and JC are just not on the same page.