Tom "Iceman" Brady

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by Hail2theskins

right, cuz most good coaches are modest, and that quote you took out was completley out of context, im not saying hes the worst qb in the history of the nfl, but i give more credit to his team and coaching in general then i give tom brady the person, hes a good qb and all which was what i said, but you cant give the pats success strictly to tom brady, you have to give it equally throughout that team, as belichick says himself every game is a team effort noone on the field is more important than the other, if you want to go by what coaches say.

I'm not sure if anyone who says Tom Brady is a "good" QB has any idea what he actually does on the field. There isn't anyone in the NFL that has his football awareness and poise and most importantly the ability to make the correct read with his accurate delivery. I will say you are right that Brady doesn't deserve all the credit, but he is the smartest player on the field whenever he plays and that's including next week. One thing is for certain. If NE goes to INDY and wins next week anyone who still says Manning is better than Brady is a fool. Quite honestly I hope the Colts win because I am sick of Belichik and the Patriots in general, but I know better. The Iceman Cometh!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I'm not sure if anyone who says Tom Brady is a "good" QB has any idea what he actually does on the field. There isn't anyone in the NFL that has his football awareness and poise and most importantly the ability to make the correct read with his accurate delivery. I will say you are right that Brady doesn't deserve all the credit, but he is the smartest player on the field whenever he plays and that's including next week. One thing is for certain. If NE goes to INDY and wins next week anyone who still says Manning is better than Brady is a fool. Quite honestly I hope the Colts win because I am sick of Belichik and the Patriots in general, but I know better. The Iceman Cometh!

You're definately coming off like a Brady fanboy.

The only sentence I take large issue with in this post is this one: "If NE goes to INDY and wins next week anyone who still says Manning is better than Brady is a fool."

That's too general. What if they go into Indy and win in the same fashion they beat San Diego. What have they proved? That they can get lucky at key times and win despite getting outplayed? Brady 4 Prezident!!!!

The only arguement that could possibly hold any water is one that says the playoffs and regular season are two seperate seasons, and that the complexity of the playoffs is so different from the regular season that its practically not even football. In which case, Brady's performance over 13 games is better than Peytons over 10. But why? Why would it be any different? The pressure is always really, really high during an NFL game. Any game. Peyton Manning obviously isn't bothered by pressure. Cold weather maybe, but not pressure.

The last two times these teams have played, Manning killed them. Torched them. Both times on the road. Where were you for those games?

There obviously is one QB who is more poised with better leadership than Brady, and thats Manning. His production is unbe-freakin-leavable. He wins 75% of his games with little to no help. He is better that Brady in every facet of the game.

I think we will see that this week.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You're definately coming off like a Brady fanboy.

The only sentence I take large issue with in this post is this one: "If NE goes to INDY and wins next week anyone who still says Manning is better than Brady is a fool."

That's too general. What if they go into Indy and win in the same fashion they beat San Diego. What have they proved? That they can get lucky at key times and win despite getting outplayed? Brady 4 Prezident!!!!

The only arguement that could possibly hold any water is one that says the playoffs and regular season are two seperate seasons, and that the complexity of the playoffs is so different from the regular season that its practically not even football. In which case, Brady's performance over 13 games is better than Peytons over 10. But why? Why would it be any different? The pressure is always really, really high during an NFL game. Any game. Peyton Manning obviously isn't bothered by pressure. Cold weather maybe, but not pressure.

The last two times these teams have played, Manning killed them. Torched them. Both times on the road. Where were you for those games?

There obviously is one QB who is more poised with better leadership than Brady, and thats Manning. His production is unbe-freakin-leavable. He wins 75% of his games with little to no help. He is better that Brady in every facet of the game.

I think we will see that this week.

Are you kidding me?! He has THE BEST receiving corps in the NFL. He also has a far better o line than Tom Brady. His backs are only marginally worse. His D has played lights out in the postseason and his kicker has carried him through the playoffs. I'm glad you're such a fan of fantasy football and all, but yards and touchdowns during the regular season don't mean a whole lot when you're playing for rings. Peyton hasn't produced any damn thing this postseason. That's the most "un-freakin-believable" thing he's done in his career, collapse in the postseason. It's ridiculous. Every year they are the team to beat and every year they lose because Peyton has a terrible game. This year Peyton has played very poorly and been bailed out by the people you accuse of giving him "no help." How, for such a "stat guy," do you not pay attention to wins and losses?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Are you kidding me?! He has THE BEST receiving corps in the NFL. He also has a far better o line than Tom Brady. His backs are only marginally worse. His D has played lights out in the postseason and his kicker has carried him through the playoffs. I'm glad you're such a fan of fantasy football and all, but yards and touchdowns during the regular season don't mean a whole lot when you're playing for rings. Peyton hasn't produced any damn thing this postseason. That's the most "un-freakin-believable" thing he's done in his career, collapse in the postseason. It's ridiculous. Every year they are the team to beat and every year they lose because Peyton has a terrible game. This year Peyton has played very poorly and been bailed out by the people you accuse of giving him "no help." How, for such a "stat guy," do you not pay attention to wins and losses?

Because trying to get through the playoffs on a one man team is a horrible strategy. If wins and losses were the only tool we had to measure individual performance, why is Jake Plummer not a lock for the hall of fame?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Because trying to get through the playoffs on a one man team is a horrible strategy. If wins and losses were the only tool we had to measure individual performance, why is Jake Plummer not a lock for the hall of fame?

Becaue he loses tons of games...that's pretty much it. That and he doesn't win in the playoffs (the wins and losses I'm referring to)

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Becaue he loses tons of games...that's pretty much it. That and he doesn't win in the playoffs (the wins and losses I'm referring to)

Since Plummer signed with Denver, he has the best win-loss % of any QB over that timeframe. That includes both Brady and Manning.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You're definately coming off like a Brady fanboy.

The only sentence I take large issue with in this post is this one: "If NE goes to INDY and wins next week anyone who still says Manning is better than Brady is a fool."

That's too general. What if they go into Indy and win in the same fashion they beat San Diego. What have they proved? That they can get lucky at key times and win despite getting outplayed? Brady 4 Prezident!!!!

The only arguement that could possibly hold any water is one that says the playoffs and regular season are two seperate seasons, and that the complexity of the playoffs is so different from the regular season that its practically not even football. In which case, Brady's performance over 13 games is better than Peytons over 10. But why? Why would it be any different? The pressure is always really, really high during an NFL game. Any game. Peyton Manning obviously isn't bothered by pressure. Cold weather maybe, but not pressure.

The last two times these teams have played, Manning killed them. Torched them. Both times on the road. Where were you for those games?

There obviously is one QB who is more poised with better leadership than Brady, and thats Manning. His production is unbe-freakin-leavable. He wins 75% of his games with little to no help. He is better that Brady in every facet of the game.

I think we will see that this week.

Whats wrong if someone is a Brady fanboy. It sure sounds better than a Manning I can't score a TD or win a playoff fanboy.LOL