Tom "Iceman" Brady

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

In the case of Brady, he does contribute a hefty part to his team's success. Probably more than any other individual on the Patriots. But it's very, very clear that Peyton Manning does a lot more to help the Colts win than Brady does to help the Pats win. Peyton has consistently been putting up 12 win seasons with no defense to speak of whatsoever.

The Patriots have been a better football team than the Colts for years. But Manning wins just as many games if not more than Brady does every year. If he beats Brady in the playoffs this week, the arguement should stop, IMO.

That's completely wrong. Last year the Colts D was as dominant as it's ever been (11th in the NFL!) and they got bounced. No D to speak of? What do you call the last 2 weeks? Adam Vinatieri and that D are the only reason Peyton even gets to play Brady. You take away the best receiving corps in the league, his top 4 receivers and then we'll have an argument about how much better Peyton is than Brady. The fact is Peyton is a choker. Adam Vinatieri has saved his ass so far. He has thrown 1 td and 5 picks this postseason. That's garbage.

Peyton is hands down the better passer, however, if he weren't surrounded by the weapons that he has on offense he wouldn't have the passing numbers he has. The Pats are no doubt the more talented team, but their D hasn't played nearly as well as the Colts has this postseason. If they lose this week it will be because of that D and Vinatieri. If Peyton keeps playing the way he has so far, this argument will go on for a long time.