Norv Turner Era: Success or Failure?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by irish

No he's not.

Wait so Joe Gibbs 2 is an imposter? Where are you getting your info?

[irish]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Wait so Joe Gibbs 2 is an imposter? Where are you getting your info?

I know this guy has the same name and Social Security Number but as a coach he's just not the same guy. He's older and mellower and has given the most important aspects of the job to Al Saunders. The old Joe Gibbs would never have done that.

[vaoutlaws2006]

My dad...god rest his soul....would flip out if he knew gibbs was coaching the skins again and not calling the plays. his offense might have been a little out dated but it was working. I cant believe what he has turned into which is basically the CEO on the sidelines.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by irish

I know this guy has the same name and Social Security Number but as a coach he's just not the same guy. He's older and mellower and has given the most important aspects of the job to Al Saunders. The old Joe Gibbs would never have done that.

His age certainly isn't helping him these days, which is just how it is. I wish he was still running the offense, but he probably just doesn't have the energy he did in his coaching prime. I still would take Gibbs over most any other coach, still. I think he proved last season that he still has it, and after he gave the team a tongue lashing before the Carolina game the team responded. Don't judge the man based on the three losing seasons he's had, look at the 12 winning season's he's had. Fact of the matter is, Gibbs is a victim of his own success, he's just held to a different standard than almost every one else.

[dmek25]

that is a great post. right on the money

[irish]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

His age certainly isn't helping him these days, which is just how it is. I wish he was still running the offense, but he probably just doesn't have the energy he did in his coaching prime. I still would take Gibbs over most any other coach, still. I think he proved last season that he still has it, and after he gave the team a tongue lashing before the Carolina game the team responded. Don't judge the man based on the three losing seasons he's had, look at the 12 winning season's he's had. Fact of the matter is, Gibbs is a victim of his own success, he's just held to a different standard than almost every one else.

I said in a prior post that Gibbs in the 80s was a great coach. Gibbs in 2006 is at best a mediocre coach. In the history of the NFL Gibbs will go down as a great coach but in the NFL of 2007 there are a lot of other coaches I'd rather have. Now the question becomes would those coaches I'd prefer over Gibbs actaully fare better than Gibbs in the Redskins screwed-up organization? I'm not sure.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by irish

I said in a prior post that Gibbs in the 80s was a great coach. Gibbs in 2006 is at best a mediocre coach. In the history of the NFL Gibbs will go down as a great coach but in the NFL of 2007 there are a lot of other coaches I'd rather have. Now the question becomes would those coaches I'd prefer over Gibbs actaully fare better than Gibbs in the Redskins screwed-up organization? I'm not sure.

The final chapter of Joe Gibbs coaching career with the Redskins hasn't been written yet. I still think he's got one more Super Bowl run in him to be honest. Coming off this season you may think I'm crazy or ignorant to say that, but I truly believe it.

[5RINGS]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The "real coach" in Dallas is already assembling his staff.

LOL what a joke.

You know, I used to think the same thing.

But then I thought, this guy has made himself a Billionaire, has maintained and increased the value and recognition of the franchise, played D1 ball at arkansas or OK - I can't remember which....

Maybe he isn't so dumb?

How does it work in other franchises? Don't most owners have a great deal of influence on the decisions of their GM and Coach?

I don't know. I think that Norv isn't the answer, at the same time I don't think that Jerry is a complete idiot. Just don't let him Draft anyone and have a personnel guy watch his moves.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

You know, I used to think the same thing.

But then I thought, this guy has made himself a Billionaire, has maintained and increased the value and recognition of the franchise, played D1 ball at arkansas or OK - I can't remember which....

Maybe he isn't so dumb?

How does it work in other franchises? Don't most owners have a great deal of influence on the decisions of their GM and Coach?

I don't know. I think that Norv isn't the answer, at the same time I don't think that Jerry is a complete idiot. Just don't let him Draft anyone and have a personnel guy watch his moves.

He's obviously not an idiot, but he is a media hound for sure. I think his biggest problem is his lack of character. I mean how can someone like him sleep at night knowing he fired a legend and beloved figure like Tom Landry?

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Here's a comment I made in my Internet column today about the Cowboys' coaching search:



With all the attention and focus on the Cowboys’ coaching search, there is an obvious solution to filling their vacancy – but it is one fraught with danger for the league. Jerry Jones could name himself as the coach of the Cowboys. Hey, George Halas and Paul Brown were rather successful “owner/coaches”; Al Davis coached the Raiders for a while and he’s the moral equivalent of an “owner”. Jones is already the Cowboys’ owner, CEO, President and GM; he spends half the game on the sidelines anyway; he played college football; he can certainly do well in the job interview event. It’s a way to increase the team’s profitability since he won’t need to pay a head coach something in the neighborhood of $4-5M per year. And can he really do that much worse than Dave Campo did?

Here’s the danger for the league… If he does this and the team breaks even next year, it will set up a grand machismo situation for other owners. Follow this line of thought. Hey, if JJ can do it – and Al Davis did it before – why can’t I do it too? It’ll mean more face time for me on TV and if the team wins I won’t have to share the spotlight with some flunky that I was smart enough to hire in the first place; all that jamoke did was do what I paid him millions of dollars to do. And with that thinking – I can’t bring myself to call it reasoning – you could see Danny Boy Snyder prowling the sidelines for the Washington Redskins. Talk about putting one of the longstanding franchises into a tailspin…

Trying to imagine this senerio becoming a reality. I would give anything to see Jerry Jones on the sidelines trying to coach TO. I have a feeling his love connection with his beloved wideout would quickly unravel. It would certainly be worth the price of admission just to witness.

As for Norv, I agree with most who think he was better suited as as OC as opposed to HC.

[Luxorreb]

Failure.

[irish]

Originally Posted by ncskinsfanec

The final chapter of Joe Gibbs coaching career with the Redskins hasn't been written yet. I still think he's got one more Super Bowl run in him to be honest. Coming off this season you may think I'm crazy or ignorant to say that, but I truly believe it.

He better start that run soon because his contract is almost complete and he's not going to extend it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

At this moment in time I think Norv and Joe are about equal. I never thought I'd say that but Joe just does not have it in today's NFL.

You know what's funny? All this talk recently about how Dungy has shown that you don't have to be a hard-ass drill sargeant coach to win a Super Bowl, unlike the Parcells, Billicks, and Belichicks of the world.

I'm sorry, didn't Gibbs demonstrate that three different times?

[Manusky91]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Hey, did you know your namesake might be the next defensive coordinator of the Niners? I'm talking about former Redskins LB Greg Manusky for those that don't know.

I didn't hear that, but good for him. Whenever I think of him, I think of that crazed special teamer with a mohawk.

[ncskinsfanec]

Originally Posted by irish

He better start that run soon because his contract is almost complete and he's not going to extend it.

Anything can happen in the NFL in two years time. Heck, one year for that matter!