Thoughts on Potential Draft Trade With Cleveland!!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

This proposed trade is another example of why I think the Redskins are the laughing stock of the NFL.

What does that make the Raiders or the Cardinals then?

[Gmanc711]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

What does that make the Raiders or the Cardinals then?

I think were more the laughing stock of the offseason, because of what we have on the feild inseason.

For example, you look at our 5-11 team this past year. Outside of 3 games, they were very compeitive in every game. I think the reason all this offseason bullcrap pisses so many of us fans off, is we have the talent to win, and just need to fill in some key area's. However we decline to ever do that and just try to get as much blockbuster moves in as we can, when really if we just make a couple small moves, sign a big name every couple years we can be fine.

I for one hate this trade, as I hate every other trade I've heard since the Denver deal. I feel it really does nothing to help this team, when we have viable reciving threats, and our defense got roasted all season long.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I think were more the laughing stock of the offseason, because of what we have on the feild inseason.

For example, you look at our 5-11 team this past year. Outside of 3 games, they were very compeitive in every game. I think the reason all this offseason bullcrap pisses so many of us fans off, is we have the talent to win, and just need to fill in some key area's. However we decline to ever do that and just try to get as much blockbuster moves in as we can, when really if we just make a couple small moves, sign a big name every couple years we can be fine.

I for one hate this trade, as I hate every other trade I've heard since the Denver deal. I feel it really does nothing to help this team, when we have viable reciving threats, and our defense got roasted all season long.

I agree. I am getting so sick of these rumors cause none of them project to actually help us. We need DEFENSIVE help! So why are we looking at a WR, or a QB? I just don't get it. I used to think, "don't worry, they are just rumors and the Skins aren't that stupid." But anymore, I am just not so sure.
Why oh why would you trade Betts after what he did for us last year and after all the good things he said about this orginization if it's not just a massive slam dunk deal? Sure he had a case of the fumbles, but that can be corrected (see tiki Barber). We actually have a solid RB game...more solid than any other team out there, and we are thinking of tearing that apart? Not so swift if you ask me.
Throughout history, I have not seen many teams benefit greatly from trading UP, but I have seen teams benefit greatly from trading DOWN and getting more picks. If we trade down I'm fine with that...especially since I don't like Gaines that much...Anderson is a bigger and better athlete IMO.

[Dantheskinsfan]

I agree. Don't fix what ain't broke, and our run game ain't broke.....

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

This proposed trade is another example of why I think the Redskins are the laughing stock of the NFL. The Skins are the Rodney Dangerfields of the NFL. They get no respect! The Lance Briggs deal is a joke. This rumor is even worse. No way in hell do you give up Ladell Betts, #6 overall pick and a second round pick for next year to draft a wide receiver. That's just stupid. I don't care how good Calvin Johnson is or could be. That's just dumb, when you have the worst pass rush in the NFL and its been that way for a couple of years. Whether the Skins move up or down or even stay put in the draft, they better pick a defensive linemen or else I will be sick.

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaMan!!!!

[Hog1]

May be the perfect situation, but you gotta' love the Rock. It could be much worse if that happens.
HOWEVER, I don't sweeten this deal. It's not sweet enough for us. In fact I wait until draft day to see who's there when we are on the clock, unless it gets much better for us

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

I suppose you guys are probably right. DL really does make a whole lot of sense. I have been pushing Landry at six, which most people hate, and I'll admit that I like this trade up for a player who could be a game breaker for years to come. I really think surrounding Campbell with top flight talent is a good idea. The strategy that probably makes most sense is trading down and taking D help with a couple picks. I am just very wary of paying one of these DL at six or paying a LB like Briggs 20 mil guaranteed. As far as I can tell it seems more likely that LL and CJ are going to play up to their contracts if we draft someone that high, but then again, who knows? The draft always has a crap shoot element. Bottom line is that all of these scenarios seem to have pluses and minuses and I think that although DL makes the most obvious sense there is definitely room for debate. We can always address DL next year. The thing about Betts is that his value right now would be bringing a move up three spots in the top of the first round and a third round pick. That's getting a lot of value for your back up running back. Honestly, I will not be upset if they do any of these moves. I'll save my disappointment for if and when we suck again on the field again.

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

PS: It would be a pretty bad slap in the face to Betts if we trade him. It's not like we forced him to sign for so little but obstensibly he took less to stay with us and that measure of loyalty should be rewarded, not taken advantage of. But man, he is drawing crazy interest. A move up to three and the third rounder is the same value as a late first round pick. If someone wants to get the exact draft chart value of Betts in this deal that would be cool.

[andtz0]

i would do it on draft day if CJ were still avaliable. Cartwright can be the next Betts, and we would also have a 3rd rounder.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by andtz0

i would do it on draft day if CJ were still avaliable. Cartwright can be the next Betts, and we would also have a 3rd rounder.

screw that the best thing a young qb can have is an explosive run game keeps 8 in the box it is elementary man come on leave 46 where he is

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

screw that the best thing a young qb can have is an explosive run game keeps 8 in the box it is elementary man come on leave 46 where he is

It's true. Play action is a young QB's best friend.

It's not like teams are going to play 8 in the box every play against a good RB. They will be mixing up their fronts and coverage all game. But if that PA can hold the linebackers even just a step, those intermediate passing lanes will be wide open.

[freddyg12]

I could see us trading up w/Cleveland, then in turn trading the #3 to Denver for their 1st, 2nd & 3rd. This seems possible since the broncos seem to think they're a player or two away.

I don't know how much cash the broncos have left under the cap though.

[TenandSix:Unacceptable]

If that's the blueprint wouldn't Saunders know it and why don't they go after it? Thanks to guys like Gibbs and Saunders you see how an extremely effective offense can revolve around your OL. What if they trade up to take that Wisconsin Guy? Move Jansen to the middle? That's honestly another part of our team that I could see us upgrading but with Samuels at LT we really need guards and someday soon a RT. I think in football that you need a dominant unit on each side of the ball, and then you scheme around the strengths of said unit. The ones that seem the most obvious are OL and DL. Give me a team with standout OL's and DL's and above average quarterbacking and you can't expect to lose more often than you win. CJ would give us standouts in the passing game, which is another rout to take. We already get average to somewhat above average OL play.

My whole thinking on this has been that Landry would give us a standout secondary, and CJ would give us standout WR's to go with Portis, Campbell and Cooley. The risk is that you really upgrade and sink money and draft picks into positions where football games are not ultimately won. If I were building a team from scratch, I would go for QB first and then build the lines, while keeping an eye out for one standout CB, WR, LB, RB and TE. Unfortunately, we don't have that luxury, because we are up against the cap with a dearth of draft picks and our roster is almost set. So, it's either shore up the DL knowing that the unit will most likely not become dominant overnight, or go bonkers at saftey or WR.

To me it's a Gibbs decision on a Gibbs time-frame, so he'll make the decision based on who helps him re-climb the mountain fastest. I guess we have to sit back, cavetch, and hope for the best.

[KLHJ2]

Here we go again!
Same old bullshit again!
When Draft day comes, it'l all be through!
I wont have to listen to you!
(Its a cadence)

What if we trade all of our draft picks, and half of our roster for the first three rounds of the Draft next year. Then we can have the youngest squad in the NFL! Of coarse Im not serious! Just let the damn coaches and front office do their damn jobs and stop speculating. Lets talk about what they have done already and comment on that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Here we go again!
Same old bullshit again!
When Draft day comes, it'l all be through!
I wont have to listen to you!
(Its a cadence)

What if we trade all of our draft picks, and half of our roster for the first three rounds of the Draft next year. Then we can have the youngest squad in the NFL! Of coarse Im not serious! Just let the damn coaches and front office do their damn jobs and stop speculating. Lets talk about what they have done already and comment on that.

Dude,

You're on a discussion fourm. Speculation is the name of the game.