Pacman suspended for entire 2007 season!

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

to play devils advocate( i really think Jones deserves his punishment) what grounds does the NFL have for the suspension? there were no policies in place when all the thuggery had taken place

There absolutely were. The personal conduct code has been around.

And to play devil's advocate with your point. Does there really need to be a policy that specifically tells players not to get arrested half a dozen times, or bite a police officer? Most people would lose their jobs for doing stuff like that for just getting arrested for it. Much less convicted.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

There absolutely were. The personal conduct code has been around.

And to play devil's advocate with your point. Does there really need to be a policy that specifically tells players not to get arrested half a dozen times, or bite a police officer? Most people would lose their jobs for doing stuff like that for just getting arrested for it. Much less convicted.

I'm not arguing the personal conduct code. my argument is that there have been a ton of football players in the past that have been arrested, and suffered little or no punishment. why now?

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

I'm not arguing the personal conduct code. my argument is that there have been a ton of football players in the past that have been arrested, and suffered little or no punishment. why now?

I think because the NFL is starting to have an image problem and Goodell is making player resposibility one of his big time issues. I think the fact that they have been too lenient in the past shouldn't mean they can't be more diligent now. Maybe the fact that they have been so lenient in the past has led to this "uptick" in problems.

I say "uptick" because I tend to think that this is no more of a problem now than in the past but it is simply being reported more and now the league has image issues.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by dmek25

I'm not arguing the personal conduct code. my argument is that there have been a ton of football players in the past that have been arrested, and suffered little or no punishment. why now?

Now because:
-There are 3 ESPN channels, the NFL Network, and various other sports stations on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week
-People spend the entire day on sports-related Internet sites (like myself)
-The current over-consumption of sports, that didn't really exist on this level in the past
-The NBA brawl
-The steroid scandal and the black-eye it has given all sports
-There is a new commissioner and he's putting his foot down before all hell breaks loose

[theBIGC_1982]

Originally Posted by dmek25

I'm not arguing the personal conduct code. my argument is that there have been a ton of football players in the past that have been arrested, and suffered little or no punishment. why now?

There's a new sheriff in town....

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

to play devils advocate( i really think Jones deserves his punishment) what grounds does the NFL have for the suspension? there were no policies in place when all the thuggery had taken place

He represents the NFL just as you represent your employer and they really don't need a writen policy just use sound judgement. I'm sure there are writen guide lines players have to follow and that the NFL reserves the right to suspend a player as they see fit.

[dmek25]

if the union lets it go, this gives the NFL a precedent for future suspensions, deeming whenever and where ever they seem fit. they almost have to appeal, then look like crap in the public eye

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I think the justification is, "conduct detrimental to the NFL."

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

I think the justification is, "conduct detrimental to the NFL."

is there a clear definition of this? it seems like that has a wide range in meaning. with all these posts, let me say again that i think Jones got what he deserved

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by dmek25

is there a clear definition of this? it seems like that has a wide range in meaning. with all these posts, let me say again that i think Jones got what he deserved

I know what you mean. It does sound subjective. However, I'm willing to bet that there is a definition of it in the CBA.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

I think the worst defense for Pacman that I've heard so far actually came from Michael Smith on ESPN, and I usually agree with him.
He said something along the lines of, "if you suspend Jones for the whole season he's more likely to get into even more trouble because he'll have so much free time on his hands."
That could be the most ass-backwards thinking I've ever heard.

[wushawn]

i am 100% about this!!!! i freakn love the NFL. MLB needs to take notes. And to comment on what that bama deion said about not seeing a grown man shave? im assuming that means pacman didnt have a dad around, well in that regards niether did i, but i had the sence not to act like some punk and do whats right to MAKE myself a man. Excuses are excuses no matter how you slice it, its time for these guys to GROW UP

[MTK]

I like it, Goodell is sending a strong message.

[dmek25]

good post grillz, and i agree. but with a union the initial suspension is always the toughest one to uphold, because all future suspensions will look at this as the ground breaker.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by dmek25

good post grillz, and i agree. but with a union the initial suspension is always the toughest one to uphold, because all future suspensions will look at this as the ground breaker.

I agree with you and I do think they'll half-heartedly appeal it just because they feel like they have to.
But, wasn't the union pushing for stiffer penalties for these kinds of violations recently? It's like when Carson Palmer came out and said how he hates that he has to be associated with guys like this. So while I think the union will have put up some kind of protest, I doubt it thinks or even really wants to change anything.


The bottom line in all of this: WVU is to blame!