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[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by jsarno

But in 01 rice caught 83 for 1139 yards, and in 02, 92 for 1211. That doesn't sound like father time had a grasp on him.

By the way, are you going to discredit Manning because he has Harrison?

Yeah, you are right Rice did have two nice seasons after he left the 49ers. But that was it, what I am saying is when Young retired Rice had already started for 16 years in the NFL. Youngs retirement came at the time that Rice was on the backside of he career.

As for dicrediting Manning because of Harrison I am going to say no. Manning is a pure pocket passer, a total different QB than a scrambling QB. And I am not using Rice to discredit Young all I am saying is that it is a two way street with QB's and recievers. A good QB can make average WR's look good and good WR's and make average QB's look good. There is a give and take there.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

Yeah, you are right Rice did have two nice seasons after he left the 49ers. But that was it, what I am saying is when Young retired Rice had already started for 16 years in the NFL. Youngs retirement came at the time that Rice was on the backside of he career.

As for dicrediting Manning because of Harrison I am going to say no. Manning is a pure pocket passer, a total different QB than a scrambling QB. And I am not using Rice to discredit Young all I am saying is that it is a two way street with QB's and recievers. A good QB can make average WR's look good and good WR's and make average QB's look good. There is a give and take there.

I won't argue with that...I absolutely agree.
There is no one out there that can replicate Youngs accuracy (comp %), overall productivity and scrambling ability. He was truly amazing. It's a shame concussions cut his career short and that he had to be a backup for so many years.
By the way, you NEVER bench a future hall of famer for a guy that never proved himself and came from one of the worst teams of all time in Tampa. So the fact that he didn't dethrone Montana doesn't mean anything to me.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I won't argue with that...I absolutely agree.
There is no one out there that can replicate Youngs accuracy (comp %), overall productivity and scrambling ability. He was truly amazing. It's a shame concussions cut his career short and that he had to be a backup for so many years.
By the way, you NEVER bench a future hall of famer for a guy that never proved himself and came from one of the worst teams of all time in Tampa. So the fact that he didn't dethrone Montana doesn't mean anything to me.

With exception of scrambling ability, I would say that Montana did.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

With exception of scrambling ability, I would say that Montana did.

Young 64.3% comp., Montana 63.2%
Young 221.1 total YPG, Montana 219.9
Young 1.63 td per game, Montana 1.53 td per game
Young .633 int per game, Montana .724 int per game
Young 77.8% probowl, Montana 61.5% probowl (seasons of 150+ attempts)

So in every significant catagory Young wins. Of course we won't compare the scrambling since you conceded that. WHile Montana definitely had good figures, Young still wins out at each catagory. This is proof positive that Young is better.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Young 64.3% comp., Montana 63.2%
Young 221.1 total YPG, Montana 219.9
Young 1.63 td per game, Montana 1.53 td per game
Young .633 int per game, Montana .724 int per game
Young 77.8% probowl, Montana 61.5% probowl (seasons of 150+ attempts)

So in every significant catagory Young wins. Of course we won't compare the scrambling since you conceded that. WHile Montana definitely had good figures, Young still wins out at each catagory. This is proof positive that Young is better.

You have to consider also that Montana had played 23 games more where he had another 1242 attempts and another 742 completions and Young's completion percentage only beats him by a lowly 1.1% even after Montana had over 1000 more attempts.
1000 more attempts for Montana and Youngs YPG is better by only 1.2 yards, Youngs td/game is better by only 0.1. I am sure you see my point. And look at the numbers you are trying to argue over based on Montana's 1000 more attemps. The point is Montana had just as good as number even though he had more attempts. One would think that with more attempts the numbers should have gone down dramaticly.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Redskins8588

You have to consider also that Montana had played 23 games more where he had another 1242 attempts and another 742 completions and Young's completion percentage only beats him by a lowly 1.1% even after Montana had over 1000 more attempts.
1000 more attempts for Montana and Youngs YPG is better by only 1.2 yards, Youngs td/game is better by only 0.1. I am sure you see my point. And look at the numbers you are trying to argue over based on Montana's 1000 more attemps. The point is Montana had just as good as number even though he had more attempts. One would think that with more attempts the numbers should have gone down dramaticly.

Why? It's the average that counts. That doesn't make any sense. You count the averages, so no matter if they have 5000 more attempts, we are measuring what they did with those attempts. Young was at the top of his game when he was forced to retire due to concussions...so it's reasonable to beleive that Young would have produced better numbers, not worse. But that is all speculation.
Take those 1000 attempts away, and those numbers are still accurate.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Young 64.3% comp., Montana 63.2%
Young 221.1 total YPG, Montana 219.9
Young 1.63 td per game, Montana 1.53 td per game
Young .633 int per game, Montana .724 int per game
Young 77.8% probowl, Montana 61.5% probowl (seasons of 150+ attempts)

So in every significant catagory Young wins. Of course we won't compare the scrambling since you conceded that. WHile Montana definitely had good figures, Young still wins out at each catagory. This is proof positive that Young is better.

You forgot one important stat. Rings.

Montana 4
Young 1

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You forgot one important stat. Rings.

Montana 4
Young 1

So I guess by that logic Bradshaw is the best of all time too?

Also, I gave him Montana / Marino / and Elway, so while I beleive that Young is better than all of them, I am not forcing that issue. I just have no doubt he's top 5 of all time no matter how you cut it, and he once said he's not even a top 10. Absolutely laughable.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Also, I gave him Montana / Marino / and Elway, so while I beleive that Young is better than all of them, I am not forcing that issue. I just have no doubt he's top 5 of all time no matter how you cut it.

not top five no way. Brady is better and that lame excuse that it's all Belichik is such a cop out. So if Young is the greatest all time how come only one Super Bowl appearance????? I mean he was on some really good teams and if he is the best ever or even top five why does he have so little to show for it? He was a great QB, but top five only in some stats which really don't mean much without the big game heroics. Brady dominates Young in his post season record. You can have the other stats all day.

Oh and to remain on topic Vick sucks and dog fighting is for fools.