Joyner: Cooley underrated

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I'm assuming replaceable by another top three (top two for me) TE in the league? Also, remember that the Browns had NO receivers to speak of.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I'm assuming replaceable by another top three (top two for me) TE in the league? Also, remember that the Browns had NO receivers to speak of.

I agree that Clev. had no WR's but Winslow still had to get open to catch 90 balls. Very very impressive if you ask me.

[saden1]

It's not Cooley, it how he is used. He is definitely not easily replaceable.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by saden1

It's not Cooley, it how he is used. He is definitely not easily replaceable.

He just said what I'm thinking.. Yes, some of you guys are right.. In general, TE players may be easy to replace, but not Cooley.. He is all-round player, hell, we even won some games because of him..

[GusFrerotte]

Anyone is nuts not to think Cooley is one of the best TE's in the league. I always get him as my starting fantasy TE every year since year 2 of his being a Skin. Everyone here playing fantasy this year should pick him up as well!!!! With JC bound to improve, along with our Wr corp, I look for things to open up more for Cooley and he will get more scores and yardage. Only TE's arguably better than Chris are Gates and Gonzalez, but our O is more potent than both SD and KC.

[MTK]

Winslow over Gates??

Wow.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Winslow over Gates??

Wow.

Why not?

Disagreeing is completely cool but passing it off without even considering it is pretty foolish, IMHO.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why not?

Disagreeing is completely cool but passing it off without even considering it is pretty foolish, IMHO.

Look at what Gates has done so far in his career:

265 catches, 3378 yards, 12.7 avg, 34 TDs.

As for Winslow:

94 catches, 925 yards, 9.8 avg, 3 TDs.

So why would I think Winslow is better than Gates??

I can't wait to hear this logic.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Look at what Gates has done so far in his career:

265 catches, 3378 yards, 12.7 avg, 34 TDs.

As for Winslow:

94 catches, 925 yards, 9.8 avg, 3 TDs.

So why would I think Winslow is better than Gates??

I can't wait to hear this logic.

there isn't any.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Look at what Gates has done so far in his career:

265 catches, 3378 yards, 12.7 avg, 34 TDs.

As for Winslow:

94 catches, 925 yards, 9.8 avg, 3 TDs.

So why would I think Winslow is better than Gates??

I can't wait to hear this logic.

Product of offense? Maybe? Possibly?

All you've done is shown that Gates has been given a lot more oppertunities in his career. This would be a stupid point to debate anyway.

I think that given identital oppertunites that Winslow would produce a bit more than Gates. I also happen to think Winslow is the better blocker which is half of a TE's game anyway.

Even if I'm wrong, I don't see how in the world you could think its absured. Why have a discussion fourm if only conventional logic can be right?

We can't discuss TEs and not look at blocking first. We just can't.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Product of offense? Maybe? Possibly?

All you've done is shown that Gates has been given a lot more oppertunities in his career. This would be a stupid point to debate anyway.

I think that given identital oppertunites that Winslow would produce a bit more than Gates. I also happen to think Winslow is the better blocker which is half of a TE's game anyway.

Even if I'm wrong, I don't see how in the world you could think its absured. Why have a discussion fourm if only conventional logic can be right?

We can't discuss TEs and not look at blocking first. We just can't.

What I've shown is Gates has been a very productive TE in this league for several seasons, and Winslow has a long way to go before he is in the same class of Gates.

It's your personal opinon that Winslow is better, that's fine but I just thought maybe you had something more solid to back up your take with.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Product of offense? Maybe? Possibly?

All you've done is shown that Gates has been given a lot more oppertunities in his career. This would be a stupid point to debate anyway.

I think that given identital oppertunites that Winslow would produce a bit more than Gates. I also happen to think Winslow is the better blocker which is half of a TE's game anyway.

Even if I'm wrong, I don't see how in the world you could think its absured. Why have a discussion fourm if only conventional logic can be right?

We can't discuss TEs and not look at blocking first. We just can't.

Evaluating a TE based primarily on blocking skills is kind of conventional isn't it? But why evaluate TEs only by conventional thinking? Maybe the position has evolved.

In the words of Doc Brown, "You're not thinking 4th dimensionally"

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Why not?

Disagreeing is completely cool but passing it off without even considering it is pretty foolish, IMHO.

for the simple fact that Gates has produced way better in the league. And last year was the first time that Winslow was even on the field. Pile that on with the fact that the Browns had no recievers (Edwards hasnt shown anything) and no running game. Add all that up and you have got a player with inflated stats. Come on Winslow is not better than Chris Cooley let alone Gates.

[12thMan]

There is no comparing Winslow and Gates. None.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I'd take out Davis, LJ Smith, Dallas Clark and Winslow. Still though, when you look at that list compared to the sheer number of TEs in the league, that's only a FRACTION. Also, remember the TEs who are cut and never even saw a roster. Not that easily replaceable if you ask me.