Joyner: Cooley underrated

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I try to not get too attached to players, but Cooley is one guy that if the Skins let walk, I'd seriously be disappointed. He's a character and he's a baller. Hard to hate on that.

It just comes down to the whole concept of who is replaceable or not.

The reason I wanted Okoye so bad in the draft is because we will never ever be able to aquire someone like him again.

The same goes for Cooley. His game is so unique from every other TE that if you let him walk, now you have to change the whole offense to account for that.

Derrick Dockery was a loss, but not an irreplaceable one. Cooley could not be replaced.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The reason I wanted Okoye so bad in the draft is because we will never ever be able to aquire someone like him again.

Ever again?

I don't think he's a once in a lifetime talent, but that's just me. We'll see how he works out.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ever again?

I don't think he's a once in a lifetime talent, but that's just me. We'll see how he works out.

How many 19 year olds are going to come out with first round talent AND 4 years of college?

I'd be pretty shocked if it ever happened again.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

How many 19 year olds are going to come out with first round talent AND 4 years of college?

I'd be pretty shocked if it ever happened again.

So it's an issue of age for you?

It could also work against him. He's going to be a boy amongst men. He seems mature enough to handle things but you never really know.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

So it's an issue of age for you?

It could also work against him. He's going to be a boy amongst men. He seems mature enough to handle things but you never really know.

It's an issue of unique, and seemingly positive qualities. I mean, lots of college exp correlates with success. A young age correlates with potential. Potential + Success is usually a good thing.

Not claiming he will be the greatest ever, just saying that we won't be able to draft someone like him later.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

How many 19 year olds are going to come out with first round talent AND 4 years of college?

I'd be pretty shocked if it ever happened again.

I don't think there is any question Okoye is going to be a really good to great player someday. But he is going to need two or three years before he really develops into that type of player. He wasn't the right pick for us IMO.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It just comes down to the whole concept of who is replaceable or not.

The reason I wanted Okoye so bad in the draft is because we will never ever be able to aquire someone like him again.

The same goes for Cooley. His game is so unique from every other TE that if you let him walk, now you have to change the whole offense to account for that.

Derrick Dockery was a loss, but not an irreplaceable one. Cooley could not be replaced.

I do think he is "replaceable". Guys like Heap, Miller, Witten, CLark and a handful of others are just as skilled and talented but he is a home grown guy who plays his butt off and seems like a locker room leader type and you'd have to pay those other guys just as much. This is a case, as it often is, where a guy, based on talent and skill alone, is worth a certain amount on the open market and based on chemistry and so forth is worth a little more to us. No need to le thim walk unless his contract demands are just out of line. Give him a top 5 deal/extension and move on to Taylor. It would be silly to let it get to the point where he would leave.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I do think he is "replaceable". Guys like Heap, Miller, Witten, CLark and a handful of others are just as skilled and talented but he is a home grown guy who plays his butt off and seems like a locker room leader type and you'd have to pay those other guys just as much. This is a case, as it often is, where a guy, based on talent and skill alone, is worth a certain amount on the open market and based on chemistry and so forth is worth a little more to us. No need to le thim walk unless his contract demands are just out of line. Give him a top 5 deal/extension and move on to Taylor. It would be silly to let it get to the point where he would leave.

You can't replace Cooley, he is very HUMBLE, team-player, does everything what coaches ask of him, he never drop ball (thanks to someone in earlier strings to remind me, I never realized that until he brought it up), and everything.. And u say that he is replaceable?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

You can't replace Cooley, he is very HUMBLE, team-player, does everything what coaches ask of him, he never drop ball (thanks to someone in earlier strings to remind me, I never realized that until he brought it up), and everything.. And u say that he is replaceable?

did you watch all the games? cooley dropped his fair share

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by dmek25

did you watch all the games? cooley dropped his fair share

I didn't watch all games cuz I was in Rochester, I'm student of RIT.. I had to go to Tully's to watch Skins' games.. Maybe he dropped his fair share but not much, I mean, not much for most of us to remember..

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

did you watch all the games? cooley dropped his fair share

???

I can think of one. That is how few he drops. One sticks out in 3 seasons.

And let's not go overboard on his talent level guys. He is good for sure but athletically he doesn't touch Gates or Gonzo. He simply does the lesser athletic tasks of a TE extremely well and that compensates a lot for his athleticism. Not to say he isn't athletic but he isn't in the super atletic freak mold of Gates or Gonzo

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

???

I can think of one. That is how few he drops. One sticks out in 3 seasons.

And let's not go overboard on his talent level guys. He is good for sure but athletically he doesn't touch Gates or Gonzo. He simply does the lesser athletic tasks of a TE extremely well and that compensates a lot for his athleticism. Not to say he isn't athletic but he isn't in the super atletic freak mold of Gates or Gonzo

I'm sorry, but I still stand by the fact that he is a better overall player than Gates. He does EVERYTHING exceptionally well. Gates is probably a better pass catcher, but Cooley runs after better, blocks better, and basically is better overall (in my opinion).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

You can't replace Cooley, he is very HUMBLE, team-player, does everything what coaches ask of him, he never drop ball (thanks to someone in earlier strings to remind me, I never realized that until he brought it up), and everything.. And u say that he is replaceable?

I think TE in the NFL is an easy position to fill unless you have Gates, Gonzalez or even Kellen Winslow. Yes, I said Winslow. He led in NFL in TE receptions his first year on the field with a suspect QB so he is a serious difference maker. Cooley is not A. Gates or T. Gonzalez. So he is replaceable IMO. But no question he is very valubale part of our offense and seems to have real good chemistry with JC.

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It just comes down to the whole concept of who is replaceable or not.

The reason I wanted Okoye so bad in the draft is because we will never ever be able to aquire someone like him again.

The same goes for Cooley. His game is so unique from every other TE that if you let him walk, now you have to change the whole offense to account for that.

Derrick Dockery was a loss, but not an irreplaceable one. Cooley could not be replaced.

Lets wait to see what Okoye really is. How about waiting to see what Landry is as well. Dockery......who is that????????

Cooley is definately the man. Would hate to loose him.