Hate to say it but Coaching lost this game

[MTK]

this one is on the refs

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

this one is on the refs

I agree about 90-95% with that cuz the refs really pulled a choke job tonight, but that was a really badly called goalline series from gibbs and company.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

I agree about 90-95% with that cuz the refs really pulled a choke job tonight, but that was a really badly called goalline series from gibbs and company.

I agree, but the refs took points off our board tonight and put them on the cowboys, can't get much worse than that if you ask me.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I agree, but the refs took points off our board tonight and put them on the cowboys, can't get much worse than that if you ask me.

we're in full agreement on that and whats makes it worse is that the refs f-ed it up twice on that drive with what was a fumble and the bs pass interference. but as frustrating as all this is, especially with it resulting in a loss to dallas, this team made huge improvements from the last 2 weeks. The offense preformed really well( r. brown excluded ) against one of the better defenses in the league. hopefully in the next week or 2 we'll see more sweeps and playactions(which I don't remember seeing many of yet this year) as well as a couple players getting healthy and rejoining the defense.

and just wondering, but why does the league even bother apologizing for mistakes made by officiating crews? cuz the only useful purpose I can think of for them is to use the paper its typed on as toilet paper or as Jim Mora would say they mean "diddily poo."

[dieselhog]

I noticed Gregg Williams appear to disagree with Joe on the sideline AT LEAST three times and each time he walked away shaking his head and looking pissed off.

Did anyone else see that?

[SkinsRock]

I wouldn't say poor coaching, but poor time management and goal-line play calling.

The question on bad time management is was it Gibbs (getting the play in late/wrong personnel) or Brunnel taking too long in the huddle? Either way, they really need to work on it.

The 1st and goal from the 1 yard line: Not necessarily the plays called (punching it in), but the bunched up formation. Kinda like Madden was saying, if they had spread it out some, it would have spread out the defense and given them more of a chance for a real push.

As for the refs, yeah they blew quite a few calls, the biggest being the bad call on Harris in the end zone and the non-call when Gardner was pulled down in the end zone. But, right or wrong, the "human factor" is a big (and important) part of football, so I'm very hesitant to blame the loss on the refs. That was a very good heads-up play for Brunnel hurrying up to the next play when he knew Portis should have be called down short of the 1st down....

[sportscurmudgeon]

The missed call on Portis "catch" and " run after the catch" gave the Skins a first down in their own half of the field. Absent those TWO mistakes by the officials, there would have been a punt. The fourth down attempt by the Skins came later.

Complaining about officials and looking at stat sheets for some kind of solace is what LOSERS do. So stop doing it. The Skins played their toughest opponent thusfar and played them tough and close. That is a good sign, not a bad one.

The only unit on the team that really needs to get a kick in the ass from the coaching staff today is the OL. Five sacks is just too much to allow and when you have first and goal at the one, you are supposed to get a TD. The OL is the only unit that underperformed last night.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by dieselhog

I noticed Gregg Williams appear to disagree with Joe on the sideline AT LEAST three times and each time he walked away shaking his head and looking pissed off.

Did anyone else see that?

Yeah, I saw it. Gregg Williams was right. No point in calling a timeout at the goal when the bootleg play was clearly the solution. Williams's emotions were felt and understood.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

this one is on the refs

I'm not ready to put it all on the refs just yet. The defense gave up several big 3rd down plays which continued Dallas's drive.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Matty:

The officiating tonight was terrible. But it was terrible both ways.

In the first half Skins' scoring drive, they missed the incomplete pass to Portis AND on the same play they missed that he was down by contact. That was a third down play in Skins territory that would have caused a punt if they got it right.

Gardner's final catch of the game was offensive pass interference. Not called.

The "false start" on Flozell Adams in the final Cowboys possession was not a false start.

The officials did not cover themselves in glory tonight but five sacks had as much to do with the loss tonight as anything else.

Also, after Bowen got burned for a TD by the Giants, we had a whole bunch of folks here calling for his benching so we could see Sean Taylor and all that he would do. Well, you saw Taylor tonight and he was just as late as Bowen was on the TD pass to Terry Glenn. I'm waiting to hear how he should be benched immediately...

When you have the ball first and goal at the one yard line and you don't gain an inch, I'd say there was some kind of problem there that had not a whole lot to do with the officials. Made a TD from the one yard line instead of a field goal and you have a very different dynamic in the 4th quarter.

[dragontat7169]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Matty:

In the first half Skins' scoring drive, they missed the incomplete pass to Portis AND on the same play they missed that he was down by contact. That was a third down play in Skins territory that would have caused a punt if they got it right.

I hate to disappoint you on this..but IT was a CATCH! and if you remember correctly, they had already completed one 4th down conversion on that drive and I am pretty sure they would have done it again. It would have been 4th and 1 or 2 where he was downed at. Yes, the refs missed that call, but it was still conceiveable that they would have gone for it on 4th down (not punted), got the first down and still scored. So that call didn't really affect anything except a bunch of maybe's. And as far as the Offensive PI on the last play of the game, what did that affect? Calling that made no difference in the outcome of the game, all it did was pad the stats a little.