WP article: Time for Gibbs to walk away?

[DieHardSkinsFan777]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

I think he's calling for Gibbs to walk away after the season, not now.

That makes NO sense. Why would you do that with 9 games to play...?

Who knows how good it could turn out with that much football left. That's just flat out stupidity.

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by DieHardSkinsFan777

That makes NO sense. Why would you do that with 9 games to play...?

Who knows how good it could turn out with that much football left. That's just flat out stupidity.

Ok, lets not start calling people stupid, because that in and of itself reeks of ignorance. Calling people "stupid" when there is a legitimate debate about ideas effectively ends thoughtful debate and then the namecalling begins. This happens all the time in politics, but Im not going to say which side does that more in this forum.

Shapiro's point is that the basic coaching/front office flaws he saw in Gibbs first year back are still present today. He therefore believes that the very best this team can do this year is 7-9 or maybe even 8-8. The authors point is that 3 and 1/2 years into Gibbs second era, it was painfully obvious at the NE game that this franchise is no where close to becoming one of the great teams in the NFL. The leadership, in the author's opinion, has failed and it has been given plenty of time to turn this thing around. I would agree, that even if we somehow made the playoffs this year in the pathetic NFC, this team as a whole simply is not moving in the right direction.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Ok, lets not start calling people stupid, because that in and of itself reeks of ignorance. Calling people "stupid" when there is a legitimate debate about ideas effectively ends thoughtful debate and then the namecalling begins. This happens all the time in politics, but Im not going to say which side does that more in this forum.

Shapiro's point is that the basic coaching/front office flaws he saw in Gibbs first year back are still present today. He therefore believes that the very best this team can do this year is 7-9 or maybe even 8-8. The authors point is that 3 and 1/2 years into Gibbs second era, it was painfully obvious at the NE game that this franchise is no where close to becoming one of the great teams in the NFL. The leadership, in the author's opinion, has failed and it has been given plenty of time to turn this thing around. I would agree, that even if we somehow made the playoffs this year in the pathetic NFC, this team as a whole simply is not moving in the right direction.

I beg to differ, 3.5 years is not enough to turn it around. I don't think that was his point anyway. I think he said that Gibbs doesn't exhibit the same command of the game as a head coach, most notably in his game decisions. I agree w/him on that more than anything.

Gibbs arguably did "turn it around" in 05. He has had to deal w/the mess of spurrier & the signings of that era. He didn't handle some things well in learning the cap, but appears better despite bad moves like loyd.

I certainly feel the franchise is heading in the right direction. Young talented qb, numerous youngsters on D, and some decent playmakers. We have needs of course, but IF this team gets healthy at the right time, we can make a run. I don't understand how you would consider it not moving in the right direction if we make the playoffs this year. That would be 2 times in 4 years. Between Gibbs I & II (93-03), we'd been to the playoffs once (99-00).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by paulskinsfan

Ok, lets not start calling people stupid, because that in and of itself reeks of ignorance. Calling people "stupid" when there is a legitimate debate about ideas effectively ends thoughtful debate and then the namecalling begins. This happens all the time in politics, but Im not going to say which side does that more in this forum.

Shapiro's point is that the basic coaching/front office flaws he saw in Gibbs first year back are still present today. He therefore believes that the very best this team can do this year is 7-9 or maybe even 8-8. The authors point is that 3 and 1/2 years into Gibbs second era, it was painfully obvious at the NE game that this franchise is no where close to becoming one of the great teams in the NFL. The leadership, in the author's opinion, has failed and it has been given plenty of time to turn this thing around. I would agree, that even if we somehow made the playoffs this year in the pathetic NFC, this team as a whole simply is not moving in the right direction.

Wait a sec, he wasn't calling any one individual stupid.