Bill Cowher!!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think Gibbs can be fired nor do I think he should be. His recent tenure has been disappointing to say the least but it would be a PR nightmare for Danny to fire him. I hope this does not shock anyone but next year is the end of Gibbs contract and I would be shocked if he stayed any longer. Guess what that means? Rebuild time again. Even if they keep GW or AS as head coach I am sure they will want to do things their own way. This team is constantly rebuilding because they set them selves up to rebuild constantly. The poor results from this method speak for themselves. Hopefully someday the orgamization will see the light and right the ship. Until then its more of "hope we are a playoff team".

If GW were to take over, which would be my guess at this point, I wouldn't see a major rebuilding in order. Having a coordinator take over would mean an easier transition vs. bringing in an outsider.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If GW were to take over, which would be my guess at this point, I wouldn't see a major rebuilding in order. Having a coordinator take over would mean an easier transition vs. bringing in an outsider.

It wont be a major rebulding but things will change. I dont think GW will be the head coach. I have heard on local sports talk shows that Danny does not really like GW but puts up with him because Gibbs wants him.

Personally I dont want to see GW as head coach, we know what he can do as head coach and its nothing special. I would like to see the Skins get a young, hungry, first time head coach to begin a new winning era.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

It wont be a major rebulding but things will change. I dont think GW will be the head coach. I have heard on local sports talk shows that Danny does not really like GW but puts up with him because Gibbs wants him.

Personally I dont want to see GW as head coach, we know what he can do as head coach and its nothing special. I would like to see the Skins get a young, hungry, first time head coach to begin a new winning era.

I've heard the same thing about Williams and Snyder.

I have mixed feelings about him being the next head coach. Besides, don't we have to interview other candidates because of the Rooney Rule anyway?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

It wont be a major rebulding but things will change. I dont think GW will be the head coach. I have heard on local sports talk shows that Danny does not really like GW but puts up with him because Gibbs wants him.

Personally I dont want to see GW as head coach, we know what he can do as head coach and its nothing special. I would like to see the Skins get a young, hungry, first time head coach to begin a new winning era.

Of course there will be some change, but it wouldn't be as radical if they bring in someone from the outside.

Personally, I can see Williams taking over for a variety of reasons. For starters, if Gibbs stays on as team president he's going to have a significant say in the matter. I can't see Gibbs going after a so called "sexy" hire, I think he would want to minimize the changes as much as possible and hiring from within is the way to go in that respect.

The fact that Williams has stayed on when he could have easily jumped ship a few times for head coaching jobs around the league tells me that some sort of informal agreement may already be in place. Yes I know the $1M buyout that's in place on his contract really doesn't mean much considering we're talking about Snyder, but I still think it represents the fact that this idea has been discussed behind closed doors and some sort of arrangement may already be in place.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Moss, Portis, Cooley, Taylor, Landry, Campbell, Springs, etc.

Smoot let me ask you this. Does it mean Gibbs has an eye for talent when you go out and get a bunch of FA's? If you ask me anyone can go out and sign FA's looking to get paid. That's not a difficult thing to do as long as you have an owner willing to spend the $.

Plus the jury is still out on JC. Time will tell whether giving up an extra #1 was the right thing to do. So far, from what I've seen I would not have given an extra number one for him. That's not knocking JC in anyway. I just don't think it's smart doing 2-1 type deals that have been done with JC, Cooley, Rocky, Portis and Lloyd.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Of course there will be some change, but it wouldn't be as radical if they bring in someone from the outside.

Personally, I can see Williams taking over for a variety of reasons. For starters, if Gibbs stays on as team president he's going to have a significant say in the matter. I can't see Gibbs going after a so called "sexy" hire, I think he would want to minimize the changes as much as possible and hiring from within is the way to go in that respect.

The fact that Williams has stayed on when he could have easily jumped ship a few times for head coaching jobs around the league tells me that some sort of informal agreement may already be in place. Yes I know the $1M buyout that's in place on his contract really doesn't mean much considering we're talking about Snyder, but I still think it represents the fact that this idea has been discussed behind closed doors and some sort of arrangement may already be in place.

I dont think a young first time head coach would be a sexy hire. Tomlin was known to be head coach material but I wouldnt call him a sexy hire.

I think Skins fans have a somewhat skewed notion of GW's appeal to other teams as head coach. I dont really remember his name mentioned as a serious contender for any jobs last season, mentioned maybe but not seriously. I dont think GW is much of a hot item and believe he's still the Skins D coordinator because he didnt have any other options.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Smoot let me ask you this. Does it mean Gibbs has an eye for talent when you go out and get a bunch of FA's? If you ask me anyone can go out and sign FA's looking to get paid. That's not a difficult thing to do as long as you have an owner willing to spend the $.

Plus the jury is still out on JC. Time will tell whether giving up an extra #1 was the right thing to do. So far, from what I've seen I would not have given an extra number one for him. That's not knocking JC in anyway. I just don't think it's smart doing 2-1 type deals that have been done with JC, Cooley, Rocky, Portis and Lloyd.

IMO, Gibbs does not have a very good eye for talent with FAs or draft picks.

[dubhdev]

Cowher, never happen.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Smoot let me ask you this. Does it mean Gibbs has an eye for talent when you go out and get a bunch of FA's? If you ask me anyone can go out and sign FA's looking to get paid. That's not a difficult thing to do as long as you have an owner willing to spend the $.

Plus the jury is still out on JC. Time will tell whether giving up an extra #1 was the right thing to do. So far, from what I've seen I would not have given an extra number one for him. That's not knocking JC in anyway. I just don't think it's smart doing 2-1 type deals that have been done with JC, Cooley, Rocky, Portis and Lloyd.

I think when people cite Lloyd, Duckett, Brunell, Patten, Wright, Harris as some examples of why he sucks then it's perfectly ok to cite Moss, Portis, Taylor, Cooley, Fletcher, Suisham (gotta throw 5 Kicks some love) as examples of success.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I dont think a young first time head coach would be a sexy hire. Tomlin was known to be head coach material but I wouldnt call him a sexy hire.

I think Skins fans have a somewhat skewed notion of GW's appeal to other teams as head coach. I dont really remember his name mentioned as a serious contender for any jobs last season, mentioned maybe but not seriously. I dont think GW is much of a hot item and believe he's still the Skins D coordinator because he didnt have any other options.

Who says we would target a young first time hire anyway? I highly doubt we would go in that direction.

GW's name wasn't mentioned last year because he was basically viewed as being not available due to the extension he was given, and of course because the Skins had a horrible year defensively. Still, I'd be willing to bet his stock is still relatively high and he's still highly regarded. Hell, if Norv Turner can get chance after chance I see no reason why Williams wouldn't warrant a second chance. I'd find it very hard to believe that a coach with his resume wouldn't have any other options.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think when people cite Lloyd, Duckett, Brunell, Patten, Wright, Harris as some examples of why he sucks then it's perfectly ok to cite Moss, Portis, Taylor, Cooley, Fletcher, Suisham (gotta throw 5 Kicks some love) as examples of success.

Cheers to that.

People love to focus on the negatives, but throw a positive out there and it's immediately dismissed it seems.

It works both ways, you can't just blame, blame, blame and not toss out some praise when it's warranted.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Smoot let me ask you this. Does it mean Gibbs has an eye for talent when you go out and get a bunch of FA's? If you ask me anyone can go out and sign FA's looking to get paid. That's not a difficult thing to do as long as you have an owner willing to spend the $.

Plus the jury is still out on JC. Time will tell whether giving up an extra #1 was the right thing to do. So far, from what I've seen I would not have given an extra number one for him. That's not knocking JC in anyway. I just don't think it's smart doing 2-1 type deals that have been done with JC, Cooley, Rocky, Portis and Lloyd.

Sure free agents are easier to evaluate vs. college players because at least you have tape on them at the pro level and you have a good idea of if they can play at this level, but you still have to factor in whether they are a good fit for your team and system. And that's not necessarily an easy thing as we've seen with some of our FA busts.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Who says we would target a young first time hire anyway? I highly doubt we would go in that direction.

GW's name wasn't mentioned last year because he was basically viewed as being not available due to the extension he was given, and of course because the Skins had a horrible year defensively. Still, I'd be willing to bet his stock is still relatively high and he's still highly regarded. Hell, if Norv Turner can get chance after chance I see no reason why Williams wouldn't warrant a second chance. I'd find it very hard to believe that a coach with his resume wouldn't have any other options.

I agree that the Skins likely would not persue a young coach like Tomlin and IMO thats the problem. The Skins seem unwilling or unable to learn from their mistakes so I am sure they will keep doing what has brought them 15+ years of losing football.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree that the Skins likely would not persue a young coach like Tomlin and IMO thats the problem. The Skins seem unwilling or unable to learn from their mistakes so I am sure they will keep doing what has brought them 15+ years of losing football.

Why is a young first time hire the answer?

Tomlin stepped into a great situation in Pittsburgh and that undoubtedy has been a big reason for his success. How are things working out for Kiffin in Oakland? How about Mangini sitting at 1-8 in NY?

Just wondering why you feel that unless we hire a young guy then things are doomed.

[BDBohnzie]

A younger coach could provide more stability to the staff in the long term. Like the original focus of this thread, Cowher was 35 when he took over the Steelers job. However, Tomlin made sense to take over for Cowher because he was already with the team, and being molded to take over. Lane Kiffin is an easier chance to take because of his background (Son of Monte, worked under Pete Carroll at USC). Mangini as well, as he worked for Belicheck.

Dallas could have done the same thing with Jason Garrett, but decided to go with a head coach with a bit more experience, even though his track record in the NFL as a head coach wasn't very good in Wade Phillips.

There is definitely arguments for both sides. If Gibbs is around next year and the team continues with success, I could see keeping the status quo. However, it will be 5 years, and depending on future success, 1 playoff year in 5 isn't very good, and would be time to rock the boat so to speak.