Should Joe Gibbs be let go or retire?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Buster

Turnovers and missed tackles/coverages on big plays are the coaches fault? Ok...if you say so.

seriously, the conservative play calling - playing for field goals, running and punting away only to have the defense to hold off a team to win a game.

my point is watching teams that win consistantly they execute their offense at the end of games, they dont just sit on the ball. what sums up our team and coach is "we dont play to win, we play not to lose!" that doesn't work in todays NFL with teams able to score quickly. as we have seen in some of our 4th quarter losses. I do believe in my post that i said players have to play and make plays, I understand that, but coaches have to be able to put the players in positions to make those plays, and put us in positions to win games. I dont think Joe has been able to that. If he had, we would not be going through the 3rd losing season of his 4th season. i just dont get why people think Joe is doing his job. I think it is because of his name and past success, it has to be, because he hasing done anything since returning. Spurrier coached the team to the same record he did last season. 5-11 is 5-11 it doesn't matter who is on the sideline.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

seriously, the conservative play calling - playing for field goals, running and punting away only to have the defense to hold off a team to win a game.

my point is watching teams that win consistantly they execute their offense at the end of games, they dont just sit on the ball. what sums up our team and coach is "we dont play to win, we play not to lose!" that doesn't work in todays NFL with teams able to score quickly. as we have seen in some of our 4th quarter losses. I do believe in my post that i said players have to play and make plays, I understand that, but coaches have to be able to put the players in positions to make those plays, and put us in positions to win games. I dont think Joe has been able to that. If he had, we would not be going through the 3rd losing season of his 4th season. i just dont get why people think Joe is doing his job. I think it is because of his name and past success, it has to be, because he hasing done anything since returning. Spurrier coached the team to the same record he did last season. 5-11 is 5-11 it doesn't matter who is on the sideline.

2005 didn't count?

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

2005 didn't count?

if one playoff trip in 4 seasons is success then I guess he has done something. To me, 1 trip in 4 seasons isn't what I call success and yearly progression. Its funny how some accept that as progression. 1 trip on 4 years, 2 in almost 10 years. That is not very successful to me. I dont want to settle for that, and frankly i dont think the majority of redskins fans do either. I want us to be fighting for playoffs every year, like the pats, colts, eagles, seahawks ect. thats success.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

if one playoff trip in 4 seasons is success then I guess he has done something. To me, 1 trip in 4 seasons isn't what I call success and yearly progression. Its funny how some accept that as progression. 1 trip on 4 years, 2 in almost 10 years. That is not very successful to me. I dont want to settle for that, and frankly i dont think the majority of redskins fans do either. I want us to be fighting for playoffs every year, like the pats, colts, eagles, seahawks ect. thats success.

Woah, don't get ahead of yourself here. You said that Gibbs hasn't done anything since returning, I simply pointed out that he has in fact done something.

I never equated 2005 with success or progress.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Woah, don't get ahead of yourself here. You said that Gibbs hasn't done anything since returning, I simply pointed out that he has in fact done something.

I never equated 2005 with success or progress.

I can see this is going to go on and on. You put 2005 as a question, yes or no? if you are saying 2005 was not a success, then he has done absolutely nothing. The team will be in no better position if he leaves this year or next that what it was before he got here. We all hoped that Joe would step in and stop some of Danny's needless spending, bad roster moves, and Joe has done none of that. We are still carrying more dead money than anyone in the NFL, highest payroll in NFL history and still fielding 5-11 teams. Joe has embrased this new found free agency that he didn't have before.

Question : what do you feel joe has done in his 4 years that would be labled as success? that is a serious question, not being sarcastic. Maybe you will bring a point up that I have not thought about or fail to see.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

2005 didn't count?

Why do people point to 2005 as some beacon of achievement? Yes, we won 5 straight and a playoff game but in the scheme of his return that's the equivalent to a blind squirrel finding a nut. That's an anomoly to the rest of the time he's been back..

Even with that streak he's still under .500 for his return, has an older team in worse cap shape than what he took over, other than that stretch has not won more than 2 games in a row, has had at least a 3 game losing streak each year, has not improved sideline/time/game management (see timeout gaffe last week) and has lost 15 games where the team has had a 2nd half lead..

Look, I love Gibbs as much as the next guy, was a huge fan during Gibbs 1.0, was crushed when he retired and elated when he came back but let's be real, he's not getting it done this time around and we're no better than we were when he took over..

I'm not trying to complain in the glow of last nights win (although it may seem as such) but even with that we're a game below .500 this year and out of the playoffs (as it stands now).. That's not progress nor what we should expect from a Hall of Fame coach..

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Why do people point to 2005 as some beacon of achievement? Yes, we won 5 straight and a playoff game but in the scheme of his return that's the equivalent to a blind squirrel finding a nut. That's an anomoly to the rest of the time he's been back..

Even with that streak he's still under .500 for his return, has an older team in worse cap shape than what he took over, other than that stretch has not won more than 2 games in a row, has had at least a 3 game losing streak each year, has not improved sideline/time/game management (see timeout gaffe last week) and has lost 15 games where the team has had a 2nd half lead..

Look, I love Gibbs as much as the next guy, was a huge fan during Gibbs 1.0, was crushed when he retired and elated when he came back but let's be real, he's not getting it done this time around and we're no better than we were when he took over..

I'm not trying to complain in the glow of last nights win (although it may seem as such) but even with that we're a game below .500 this year and out of the playoffs (as it stands now).. That's not progress nor what we should expect from a Hall of Fame coach..

you and I are on the same page. for some reason people here want to say year in and year out we are headed in the right direction. We are stuck in neutral as far as I can see. 2 playoffs in 10 years!! that is joke if you want to be lumped into the elite....wait good teams of the NFL. We are lumped in with the Browns, Texans, group. We are not a good team from top to bottom, including the front office. Joe has not done anything since being here. I am right with you on everything you say, but we will get blasted, be prepared.