In The News: McCain, Hillary, Obama Oh My!

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The "middle class" was NOT prospering at the dawn of the industrial age, at its apex, or during its early decline. You think our health care situation is bad now? They didn't know what health care was and died during their 40s. They couldn't eat anywhere near as well as we do today. Poor workers were treated FAR worse than any worker in today's America.

Also, corporate tax cuts aren't a bad thing. Those corporations employ the middle class. Guess what corporate directors and officers do when faced with tax hikes? They order cut jobs to increase profitability and heap additional demands on those workers they decide to keep. Go ahead, tax the hell out of corporations and see what happens to middle class.

The notion that we would prosper if we erected mile high walls around our borders and become "self reliant" is not grounded in any real sense of reality. A large reason why food is so damn cheap, we can get all sorts of fruits during winter months, and various other goods and services are so cheap is because we have reached out to other countries.

I know people like Lou Dobbs are gaining popularity by saying things like, "this war on the middle class," "evil corporations are killing the average worker," and we are "exporting America." Those simple slogans are nice, capitalize on people's emotions, and get nice ratings, but they lack any real substance.

I dont know dick about lou dobbs, but I do know several people who've had to change careers over the last 10 years because their industry wages were being driven down due to outsourcing and illegal (and sometimes legal) immigrant workers.

What's your stance here? Are you just disagreeing with what I'm saying or do you have ideas you'd like to enlighten us to?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I dont know dick about lou dobbs, but I do know several people who've had to change careers over the last 10 years because their industry wages were being driven down due to outsourcing and illegal (and sometimes legal) immigrant workers.

What's your stance here? Are you just disagreeing with what I'm saying or do you have ideas you'd like to enlighten us to?

You made several statements on several different issues that I didn't necessarily agree with, nothing more and nothing less. I do, however, take issue with several prominent news anchors and politicians scoring "points" by saying things like "we need to fight for average Americans," "the government is waging a war on the middle class," "we need to stop giving jobs away to foreigners and immigrants," "we need to stop giving breaks to corporations and start giving them to the public," etc. Most of those kinds of statements are vague and are lacking in real substance. I'm not taking issue with you, it's just your comments reminded me of other comments that I have a problem with.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

You made several statements on several different issues that I didn't necessarily agree with, nothing more and nothing less. I do, however, take issue with several prominent news anchors and politicians scoring "points" by saying things like "we need to fight for average Americans," "the government is waging a war on the middle class," "we need to stop giving jobs away to foreigners and immigrants," "we need to stop giving breaks to corporations and start giving them to the public," etc. Most of those kinds of statements are vague and are lacking in real substance. I'm not taking issue with you, it's just your comments reminded me of other comments that I have a problem with.

I think I understand you. Just like I get completely unnerved by bush supporters and bush himself constantly chiming in on the terrorists in order to win points...

I understand that terrorism is a problem that needs to be addressed... I just feel that it is being exploited and used as a manipulation tool.

Is that how you feel about the points I'm attempting to make, or do you not believe they have any validity?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I think I understand you. Just like I get completely unnerved by bush supporters and bush himself constantly chiming in on the terrorists in order to win points...

I understand that terrorism is a problem that needs to be addressed... I just feel that it is being exploited and used as a manipulation tool.

Is that how you feel about the points I'm attempting to make, or do you not believe they have any validity?

I certainly wasn't angry with the points you were making, I just disagreed with some of them. I think you raised some valid points; I just took note of those that I disagreed with. No offense intended.