Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[KB24]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Your jersey 'logic' is getting a little tired. Jared Allen is a very good player, but the Vikings are also willing to give up a 1st for him and they pick four spots ahead of us. Also, despite how much you clearly dislike Chad Johnson, he has never been suspended for multiple DUI's ... if you're so concerned with character why would you advocate picking up a guy who has no problem putting other people's lives at risk or (if you want to take a crass strictly football perspective) is one strike away from getting the Goddell smackdown?

The Vikings made it a point to do their homework and Allen has been very contrite about how he's made mistakes and is owning up to them. Chad is constantly talking about me, me, me, I want to get paid. At least Allen will fill a bigger need immediately. We're not a player away from a Super Bowl and Chad Johnson by himself isn't going to get us there.

Bottom line. With a new head coach on board, we need to build a corps of "young players" instead of trading away picks for players in their '30s who may or may not help us.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KB24

The Vikings made it a point to do their homework and Allen has been very contrite about how he's made mistakes and is owning up to them. Chad is constantly talking about me, me, me, I want to get paid. At least Allen will fill a bigger need immediately. We're not a player away from a Super Bowl and Chad Johnson by himself isn't going to get us there.

Bottom line. With a new head coach on board, we need to build a corps of "young players" instead of trading away picks for players in their '30s who may or may not help us.

HOW is picking a DE when you already have a strong D-Line doing your homework? The Vikings have a mediocre offense, that would be right down terrible if it wasn't for Adrian Peterson. Their passing game is non-existent, they have a below average QB and no WRs whatsoever. I'm sorry but your CJ bashing is making you make no sense.

Oh and way to overlook the fact that Allen (according to what some have posted) had a DUI. So ur telling me a guy that talks wayy too much is worst than a guy that got busted for a DUI? Please.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

HOW is picking a DE when you already have a strong D-Line doing your homework? The Vikings have a mediocre offense, that would be right down terrible if it wasn't for Adrian Peterson. Their passing game is non-existent, they have a below average QB and no WRs whatsoever. I'm sorry but your CJ bashing is making you make no sense.

Oh and way to overlook the fact that Allen (according to what some have posted) had a DUI. So ur telling me a guy that talks wayy too much is worst than a guy that got busted for a DUI? Please.

Well, to be fair Udeze and possibly James are both out for the year. And they did sign Berrian this off-season.

However, the point about the DUI cannot be overlooked. And to think that's better than a guy whose worst offense is that he talks too much is stupid.

[KB24]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

HOW is picking a DE when you already have a strong D-Line doing your homework? The Vikings have a mediocre offense, that would be right down terrible if it wasn't for Adrian Peterson. Their passing game is non-existent, they have a below average QB and no WRs whatsoever. I'm sorry but your CJ bashing is making you make no sense.

Oh and way to overlook the fact that Allen (according to what some have posted) had a DUI. So ur telling me a guy that talks wayy too much is worst than a guy that got busted for a DUI? Please.

I didn't "overlook" his DUI. If you go back and read what I posted, I talked about Allen's mistakes and how he admitted what he did was stupid. Since that time, he's been a model citizen and an excellent player.

I bash CJ because of his me-first attitude, an attitude that can disrupt the locker room. Plus, given the woes of the offensive line, having a play-making receiver like Chad isn't going to matter. We need to keep our picks and build a foundation, much like the Caps have done over the last few years. We don't have that foundation and Chad Johnson by himself won't make us a Super Bowl winner.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KB24

I didn't "overlook" his DUI. If you go back and read what I posted, I talked about Allen's mistakes and how he admitted what he did was stupid. Since that time, he's been a model citizen and an excellent player.

I bash CJ because of his me-first attitude, an attitude that can disrupt the locker room. Plus, given the woes of the offensive line, having a play-making receiver like Chad isn't going to matter. We need to keep our picks and build a foundation, much like the Caps have done over the last few years. We don't have that foundation and Chad Johnson by himself won't make us a Super Bowl winner.

Well sorry about missing that, this thread was wayyy too long and I arrived late at the party. However, my whole issue with "building a foundation" is that if we wait to develop these young players that we are building upon, Portis, Santana, ARE and our entire offensive line will be too old to make us a contender. The team needs to figure out a way to move past the first round of the playoffs, and have a strong offense that will allow us to win those games were we end up losing by a few points. If we talk about building a foundation for the future, then we might us well give up any chances for the playoff and get into a rebuilding mode.

[KB24]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well sorry about missing that, this thread was wayyy too long and I arrived late at the party. However, my whole issue with "building a foundation" is that if we wait to develop these young players that we are building upon, Portis, Santana, ARE and our entire offensive line will be too old to make us a contender. The team needs to figure out a way to move past the first round of the playoffs, and have a strong offense that will allow us to win those games were we end up losing by a few points. If we talk about building a foundation for the future, then we might us well give up any chances for the playoff and get into a rebuilding mode.

But, haven't we been doing this very thing since 2000? Getting veteran players to "win now" instead of waiting "to develop these young players that we are building upon?" That very strategy you mentioned has netted us a grand total of one playoff win during that time. I want to see the Redskins win just as much as you do. But, it's obvious the way they've been trying to do it just isn't working. Maybe it's time to start from scratch and build for the future. Remember, we have a new -- not to mention first-time -- head coach and a young quarterback who has to learn yet another offensive system. Chances are, there are going to be growing pains and it will take a couple of years to really learn this system. Wouldn't it be smarter to build for the future when the system can be executed to the point where the Redskins offense will be a bigger threat?

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by KB24

I didn't "overlook" his DUI. If you go back and read what I posted, I talked about Allen's mistakes and how he admitted what he did was stupid. Since that time, he's been a model citizen and an excellent player.

And then Allen did it again. It's been less than a year, so it's hard to say his character is "repaired" just because he said sorry. I think Pacman Jones said he was sorry, too.

[KB24]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

And then Allen did it again. It's been less than a year, so it's hard to say his character is "repaired" just because he said sorry. I think Pacman Jones said he was sorry, too.

Pacman has NEVER taken responsibility for his actions. Maybe the Allen example wasn't the best one to use. My point is, if we really want to get rid of draft picks the way we are, we need to focus on the lines first -- a couple of our most glaring weaknesses -- then the skill positions. As I said before, having Chad won't matter if we can't keep Campbell upright or rush the passer consistently.

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by KB24

Pacman has NEVER taken responsibility for his actions. Maybe the Allen example wasn't the best one to use. My point is, if we really want to get rid of draft picks the way we are, we need to focus on the lines first -- a couple of our most glaring weaknesses -- then the skill positions. As I said before, having Chad won't matter if we can't keep Campbell upright or rush the passer consistently.

Actually, you're right - I just figured with 8 arrests in 19 months he would have had at least one apology.
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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by KB24

Pacman has NEVER taken responsibility for his actions. Maybe the Allen example wasn't the best one to use. My point is, if we really want to get rid of draft picks the way we are, we need to focus on the lines first -- a couple of our most glaring weaknesses -- then the skill positions. As I said before, having Chad won't matter if we can't keep Campbell upright or rush the passer consistently.

Why do you think that we can't address our line needs if we trade for Chad Johnson? You don't think we could get a DE in the 2nd round, two OLs in the 3rd?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

And then Allen did it again. It's been less than a year, so it's hard to say his character is "repaired" just because he said sorry. I think Pacman Jones said he was sorry, too.

Yeah but in all fairness, when Pacman said it, his acting was worse than his wrestling career.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by KB24

The Vikings made it a point to do their homework and Allen has been very contrite about how he's made mistakes and is owning up to them. Chad is constantly talking about me, me, me, I want to get paid. At least Allen will fill a bigger need immediately. We're not a player away from a Super Bowl and Chad Johnson by himself isn't going to get us there.

Bottom line. With a new head coach on board, we need to build a corps of "young players" instead of trading away picks for players in their '30s who may or may not help us.

I wonder if the Vikings checked out this website while doing their 'diligent' research. Clearly this guy won't have any problems with alcohol in the future.

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