Voter Fraud In Ohio

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

When Goverment can cut its waistful spending and our tax dollars are put to good use I would only then give a tax increase consideration. The problem is if they did that we would not have a need for a tax increase.

Exactly
The most fundamental element in quality leadership is the ability to "lead by example". As stated, when that happens, I could take an increase more seriously. Until that time........Washington is WAY fat....with your $$$$$$

[Beemnseven]

I'm fine with a flat rate of taxation of equal percentage among everyone to perform the legitimate functions of government.

But I don't believe the function of government is to take from those who've worked hard and made better decisions and give it to those who didn't.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm fine with a flat rate of taxation of equal percentage among everyone to perform the legitimate functions of government.

But I don't believe the function of government is to take from those who've worked hard and made better decisions and give it to those who didn't.

Come on Beem don't you know thats how they buy peoples votes. When rep. lower taxes it for everyone when the dems lowers taxes they play the rich against poor game.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Come on Beem don't you know thats how they buy peoples votes. When rep. lower taxes it for everyone when the dems lowers taxes they play the rich against poor game.

Yep, I know. When the people realize that they can start voting themselves goodies out of the federal treasury, that's when nations begin to fall apart.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'm fine with a flat rate of taxation of equal percentage among everyone to perform the legitimate functions of government.

But I don't believe the function of government is to take from those who've worked hard and made better decisions and give it to those who didn't.

Greetings, welcome to Socialism comrade.
We need to get this $$ leveling thing correct...........Big Brother knows best

[FRPLG]

For those who would gladly pay more taxes if the gov't wanted them to why aren't you sending in a little extra every April 15th?

What is finally "enough"? If we keep electing people who promise to do things for us if only we give them more money when do we finally reach the point where the gov't simply does everything for us? We just go to work and hand all our money over to them to do with as it pleases. It is the logical path of this line of thought. Who gets to decide where that line is? Do we trust them to finally draw it?

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

For those who would gladly pay more taxes if the gov't wanted them to why aren't you sending in a little extra every April 15th?

What is finally "enough"? If we keep electing people who promise to do things for us if only we give them more money when do we finally reach the point where the gov't simply does everything for us? We just go to work and hand all our money over to them to do with as it pleases. It is the logical path of this line of thought. Who gets to decide where that line is? Do we trust them to finally draw it?

It's got to be part of a good program. I don't like giving them my money. It's just that at times I think it's needed to have good government.

I think SS is a good thing. I think having a strong defense is a good thing. I think the GI bill is a good thing. I think having clean water, safe drugs and food, good homeland security, etc. is a good thing. So I am willing to part with some of my hard earned money to get those things. How do you propose to provide those things if not by way of the gov't?

The issue is about good programs. We need proper oversight. We need transparency in our government. We need reasonable controls on special interest. We need smart people in decision making positions.

Conservatives since Reagan have talked a big game about cutting government. But despite control of the presidency from 80-92 and from 2000-2008, what have we seen? Bigger govt. More corruption. Same old, same old. So I do not believe Mr. Maverick and his Alaskan side-kick are going to do any different.

Now maybe you support Barr. He may really intend to do something. Trouble is he isn't going to win.

My feeling is that the dems at least have some people that understand that gov't isn't going anywhere and the trick is to make it work better. The repub strategy is to run it into the ground until we have to kill it (this is called the "wither on the vine" strategy--see Newt Gingrich). All we get is a gov't that does not work--no smaller, just worse. I don't think the dems are a magic bullet here--just the lesser of 2 evils. That's the way things go in politics, usually (it's either the turd or the douche bag, I'm afraid...)

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

(it's either the turd or the douche bag, I'm afraid...)

That was a great episode....Vote or DIE LOL

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

It's got to be part of a good program. I don't like giving them my money. It's just that at times I think it's needed to have good government.

I think SS is a good thing. I think having a strong defense is a good thing. I think the GI bill is a good thing. I think having clean water, safe drugs and food, good homeland security, etc. is a good thing. So I am willing to part with some of my hard earned money to get those things. How do you propose to provide those things if not by way of the gov't?

The issue is about good programs. We need proper oversight. We need transparency in our government. We need reasonable controls on special interest. We need smart people in decision making positions.

Conservatives since Reagan have talked a big game about cutting government. But despite control of the presidency from 80-92 and from 2000-2008, what have we seen? Bigger govt. More corruption. Same old, same old. So I do not believe Mr. Maverick and his Alaskan side-kick are going to do any different.

Now maybe you support Barr. He may really intend to do something. Trouble is he isn't going to win.

My feeling is that the dems at least have some people that understand that gov't isn't going anywhere and the trick is to make it work better. The repub strategy is to run it into the ground until we have to kill it (this is called the "wither on the vine" strategy--see Newt Gingrich). All we get is a gov't that does not work--no smaller, just worse. I don't think the dems are a magic bullet here--just the lesser of 2 evils. That's the way things go in politics, usually (it's either the turd or the douche bag, I'm afraid...)

Sorry money does not equal good goverment. I'd say too much money makes for bad goverment and thats been our problem in the past. Spend, Spend, Spend. You also talk about killing goverment and mention Newt. Well congress spends the money and people point to the 90's and bill Clinton but remember Newt had control of the spending.