King predicts Haynesworth to Redskins

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

No concerns about how Robinson got abused in the BCS game vs. Florida? I'm not much of a college football fan but he jumped early a few times and other times just got flat out beaten.

That's a bit of a concern, but it is just one game. However, it was such a bad game that Stoops actually benched him for a few series. A little worrisome when you can't mentally show up for the biggest game of your life.

That said, I still think he's the best pure guard available.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Would Barnes' skill set be worth the money he gets if the plan is to slide him across the line to the right side?

What's the money going to be? I can't remember what I last heard, 6 years 30 million maybe? Something like that.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What's the money going to be? I can't remember what I last heard, 6 years 30 million maybe? Something like that.

Is he worth that much? I saw on CBS Sportsline that Khalif Barnes surrendered more sacks last season (7.5) than any other blind-side blocker in the league. I guess he'll be better suited at RT, which is presumably where he would play for us.

[SmootSmack]

I should say that my saying let's sign Barnes had more to do with skinsfan_nn's post hinting that we may sign Barnes or Haynesworth, and I'm just saying of the two let's sign Barnes and do all the other stuff I said. If there's an option C (which of course there is) then I would say sign neither. Too many questions marks with Haynesworth and very similar question marks with Barnes. Both are extremely talented, but after 4 plus years neither has shown a propensity to be consistently counted on.

[skinsfan_nn]

100 mil, 30 mil guaranteed..? Damn, wouldn't mind having him but not for that kinda jack. I'm hoping he gets it elsewhere.

I wonder why the market is soft......

SOFT MARKET FOR HAYNESWORTH?
Posted by Mike Florio on February 23, 2009, 5:41 p.m.

Lately, we’ve been chirping the phrase “caveat emptor” whenever discussing Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth. And it could be that some of the potential emptors are indeed, um, caveating.

According to Peter King of SI.com, there won’t be a long line of teams chasing Haynesworth come midnight on February 27.

As one unnamed coach told King, “Everybody I’ve asked this weekend says, ‘We’re out of that,’ or ‘I don’t think you’ll see us involved in Haynesworth.’”

The coach to whom King spoke also said that his team has some interest in getting Haynesworth “at the right price” — “which is about half of what Haynesworth is hoping to get.”

It’s believed that Haynesworth wants a $100 million contract, with more than $30 million of it guaranteed.

King says that the Redskins might in the end be the team that gets him, as evidenced by the fact that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder was spotted having dinner with Haynesworth’s agent, Chad Speck, in Indy.

As we’ve said a few times lately, if neither the Titans (for whom Haynesworth has played all seven NFL seasons) nor the Lions (who are now coached by Haynesworth’s former defensive coordinator) make a serious play for the guy, it’s the strongest possible message that could be delivered to any team that toys with giving him huge money.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I should say that my saying let's sign Barnes had more to do with skinsfan_nn's post hinting that we may sign Barnes or Haynesworth, and I'm just saying of the two let's sign Barnes and do all the other stuff I said. If there's an option C (which of course there is) then I would say sign neither. Too many questions marks with Haynesworth and very similar question marks with Barnes. Both are extremely talented, but after 4 plus years neither has shown a propensity to be consistently counted on.

If option 'C' stands for "cost-effective", then I like the backup T from the Seahawks, Ray Willis, who is only 27. He's a more established version of Heyer.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If option 'C' stands for "cost-effective", then I like the backup T from the Seahawks, Ray Willis, who is only 27. He's a more established version of Heyer.

Do you think he can start? Because I don't think we should be looking for a backup

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by vallin21

Really? That is the biggest need on defense next to OLB. I'm not saying we should break the bank for Haynesworth but if we get him I don't hink he will be the second coming of Stubblefield.

We can get by with the current group ( Griff, Monty and Goldston) we currently have. Plus Evans can play DT. They're not going to cave in the pocket but they're all serviceable and for the most part they get the job done. Why would the FO pay out a ton of money to one guy when there are so many other needs to fill? We need a guard or two, a RT, DE and LB depth.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If option 'C' stands for "cost-effective", then I like the backup T from the Seahawks, Ray Willis, who is only 27. He's a more established version of Heyer.

Been wondering about this kid. He started much of last year at RT and only gave up 1.5 sacks all season. He's extremely powerful but tends to miss blocks here and there. 53Fan had a nice link on him somewhere but it escapes me at the moment...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Do you think he can start? Because I don't think we should be looking for a backup

You know, I think that's a good point. I have him rated below the line of 79 on my spreadsheets, which would imply that I don't think he's an ideal starter, and I have Barnes at 80, which implies he should start somewhere.

However, if it comes down to contract talks, and we're talking 4 years at 12 million to Willis, and 6 years 30 million to Barnes, it's hard to justify Barnes at that price.

So, yeah, I think Willis is capable of starting, but I'm not sure he's a huge improvement on Jansen (if at all). But then again, there's value in simply having the extra body, because the offense is more resistant to injury attrition, and it decreases the chance we see another 2008.

[Nflnick11]

we need to get haynesworth simply because we need to get to the other QB's in the league...even if haynesworth doesn't try because he got paid, he's still a big body that no lineman can move around, if we have a Dline that can beat the Cowboys oline and sack romo, then this is the first and huge piece to that puzzle think about it for a second Carter, Gholston, Haynesworth, Taylor two great pass rushers on the outside and a decent 2 way dtackle, and do it all haynesworth...and for all you saying "I don't want him" just wait till they hold his press conference with him putting on the jersey and smiling and having all those breaking news cameras watching his press conference, thats when it will hit you all and make you change your thoughts of getting him little by little

[over the mountain]

question:

is snyder allowed to enter discussions/negotiations with haynesworth's agent while AH is still under contract until friday with the titans?

im guessin it must be perfectly legit since the article doesnt say anything. also AH's agent does rep other players (FA and draft declared) which snyder would be able to inquire about. just curious if this is perfectly ok, an unwritten rule where snyder and AH's agent could met and talk about other things just not about acquiring AH, or some third option.

go skins!

[DirtyLandry]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

we need to get haynesworth simply because we need to get to the other QB's in the league...even if haynesworth doesn't try because he got paid, he's still a big body that no lineman can move around, if we have a Dline that can beat the Cowboys oline and sack romo, then this is the first and huge piece to that puzzle think about it for a second Carter, Gholston, Haynesworth, Taylor two great pass rushers on the outside and a decent 2 way dtackle, and do it all haynesworth...and for all you saying "I don't want him" just wait till they hold his press conference with him putting on the jersey and smiling and having all those breaking news cameras watching his press conference, thats when it will hit you all and make you change your thoughts of getting him little by little

Amen, brother. Hearing people say "no way" makes me want to jam a pencil in my eye. This guy is one of the most dominant players in the league. People argue that we have the 4th ranked defense without him. SO WHAT! The Steelers had the #1 D and won the F*cking Superbowl! Uhh..how 'bout the year before that? The Giants won because of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Micheal Strahan. Jesus Christ, I am tired of casual football fans that only want to acquire college kids who have never played a down in the NFL. I don't care if you have the 1st overall pick....he's not guaranteed to do Sh*t. Skins fans are largely paranoid and myopic because of some bad deals that happened a decade ago. A dominant DT can improve your entire D-you don't need elite corners that have to cover all day if your D line is constantly in the face of the QB. This would be worth a lot of $$ to me.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by DirtyLandry

Amen, brother. Hearing people say "no way" makes me want to jam a pencil in my eye. This guy is one of the most dominant players in the league. People argue that we have the 4th ranked defense without him. SO WHAT! The Steelers had the #1 D and won the F*cking Superbowl! Uhh..how 'bout the year before that? The Giants won because of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Micheal Strahan. Jesus Christ, I am tired of casual football fans that only want to acquire college kids who have never played a down in the NFL. I don't care if you have the 1st overall pick....he's not guaranteed to do Sh*t. Skins fans are largely paranoid and myopic because of some bad deals that happened a decade ago. A dominant DT can improve your entire D-you don't need elite corners that have to cover all day if your D line is constantly in the face of the QB. This would be worth a lot of $$ to me.

and their oline was worse than ours, Big Ben was sacked I think the most or the second most in the league...Defense wins championships, some of you maybe be tired of hearing that famous saying but it's true

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

No concerns about how Robinson got abused in the BCS game vs. Florida? I'm not much of a college football fan but he jumped early a few times and other times just got flat out beaten.

I saw that.. and that was honestly the only game that I saw out of him

it did not give me a lot of confidence in him, but it was the only game, he could've been anxious

that's what coaching is supposed to remedy