Draft Order

[bedlamVR]

One other thing sure it is easier to deal out of 5th pick than the 11th but there has to be some intrinsant value in the pick. In a below average draft clas high pick is just going to cost you money .

Also if you can evaluate talent it really doesn't matter where you pick becasue you can always get the best player available . Picking in top five is typically expensive and really a no brainer but never gifts sucess and we realy are not one rookie away from being great.

[Beemnseven]

If you look at it, rookie first round draft picks rarely make huge contributions anyway. Ben Roethlisberger is the exception to the rule. Remember back in March and April when everyone was ringing their hands about whether we would pick Sean Taylor or Kellen Winslow Jr. ? In the grand scheme of things, how much did our first round draft pick really change anything about the outcome of the season?

Too much emphasis is placed on the draft. I'm as interested in who we pick and what positions we address this offseason as anyone else, but rookies usually never put a team over the top, if they even get a chance to break into the starting lineup. It's the veterans who make the difference.

[jdlea]

We will be officially picking 8th somehow. I don't how we are higher than Detroit, but that's what came across the bottom line this morning.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by jdlea

We will be officially picking 8th somehow. I don't how we are higher than Detroit, but that's what came across the bottom line this morning.

Great! I think that Giant win last night helped a lot, I can live with the #8 pick we now have some bargaining power, I still say we have to trade down, and get a big time center whether it be by draft, or free agency is imperative to the success of our team next year, we have to AND I mean HAVE TO get someone in there who can man the middle, I would replace Samuel's as well unless he really restructures his contract, I was up in the air about Dockery and tries to keep a close eye on him to evaluate, and I think he's really coming along infact if we get a quality center next to him we could be talking greatness for this kid.

[sportscurmudgeon]

FRPLG:

Not to rain on your parade, but the Redskins played as a 6-10 team this year. In your fantasy world or some concocted league, you may imagine what might have happened or how the football gods ought to have rewarded these noble warriors. Enjoy it. This was a 6-10 team and that is what they will forever be in the NFL annals. There will be no asterisk saying they played at a 9-7 level...


Matty:

You said that this season "helped weed out the non-core Skins, and helped shine the light on guys Gibbs knows he can go to war with next year and build the foundation of the team upon." Man, I hope you're right on that.

Obviously, it is Joe Gibbs' decision as to who is a core Skin and who isn't, but I'm curious who you think the core Skins are and why.

You have to know from many of my other postings here that I don't consider Gardner or Taylor to be "core Skins" since I've called them "Meathead" and "Another Meathead". But I am interested in your perceptions of the players on the team.

And don't forget to comment on Ade Jimoh in your response...

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

You said that this season "helped weed out the non-core Skins, and helped shine the light on guys Gibbs knows he can go to war with next year and build the foundation of the team upon." Man, I hope you're right on that.

Obviously, it is Joe Gibbs' decision as to who is a core Skin and who isn't, but I'm curious who you think the core Skins are and why.

You have to know from many of my other postings here that I don't consider Gardner or Taylor to be "core Skins" since I've called them "Meathead" and "Another Meathead". But I am interested in your perceptions of the players on the team.

And don't forget to comment on Ade Jimoh in your response...

To me, the jury is still out on Taylor. Did he do a lot of stupid things this year, on and off the field? Yes. Remind me to tell you about what a grade-A dumbass I was at his age. Hopefully, he will learn that his gifts will be wasted if he continues to be an idiot.

As for Gardner, a nickname like "50-50" is one that is supposed to motivate a player to get better and prove others wrong. I think Rod might have gotten his towels monogrammed with it. His play has not improved one iota since his rookie year. The reports of missing automobiles might explain why.

As for who may be "Core Skins", I think you have to look off the field within the group of talented players on the roster. Is Portis "core"? Maybe - he didn't complain about his playing time, or try to shift blame when he had poor production, and he had one of the best statistical seasons a Skins RB has ever had.

Is Washington "core"? He was the only projected starter who started regularly in the LB corps. Since our defense relies on trust in the abilities of your teammates, Marcus showed faith in the scheme and team, and played his way to Hawaii.

Is Pierce "core"? God, I hope so. He was our defensive MVP. He refused to leave special teams. He fought his way onto the team as an undrafted free agent, and earned his way to a payday.

Is Ramsey "core"? He suffered the indignity of sitting the bench when the guy ahead of him was losing games. Being on the bench is no slight - there are only 32 starting jobs in the league. When the guy ahead of you is having under 100 yard passing games (3 of them!!!) and you are still holding the clipboard, it has to hurt. No complaints, and improvement from the first snap. His rating for the season was 74.8, but if you factor out the disasterous relief appearance in week 2, that bumps up to a respectable 79.9. I'm happy he's in a Redskins uniform.

How about Jansen? No one would have enjoyed the Bugel experience more than Jon. I'm convinced his pre-season injury was good for two losses to us.

Oh, and Jimoh stays, or I'm leaving.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by offiss

Great! I think that Giant win last night helped a lot, I can live with the #8 pick we now have some bargaining power, I still say we have to trade down, and get a big time center whether it be by draft, or free agency is imperative to the success of our team next year, we have to AND I mean HAVE TO get someone in there who can man the middle, I would replace Samuel's as well unless he really restructures his contract, I was up in the air about Dockery and tries to keep a close eye on him to evaluate, and I think he's really coming along infact if we get a quality center next to him we could be talking greatness for this kid.

I really soured on Dockery when I saw him with his massive hands on hips basically motionless after the fumble during the Vikings game. In contrast Ray Brown aka the Ageless One was hustling diving for the loose ball, which was closer to Dockery, who did not even block anyone on the play. Sorry but the whole play was reminisceint of Jeff George, when he made no effort whatsover to recover a fumble.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

I really soured on Dockery when I saw him with his massive hands on hips basically motionless after the fumble during the Vikings game. In contrast Ray Brown aka the Ageless One was hustling diving for the loose ball, which was closer to Dockery, who did not even block anyone on the play. Sorry but the whole play was reminisceint of Jeff George, when he made no effort whatsover to recover a fumble.

I didn't see that, I saw him a few times getting out a leveling people, it's tough to focus on a lineman during a play because you want to watch the ball I do think he's far better off than George. George was a malcontent, this kid seem's to have a pretty good head on his shoulders I am hoping he's a keeper.