Defense = Disappointment

Daseal · 09-13-2009, 09:41 PM

GTripp, you always rip the defense, and in this particular game, I agree to a point. However, the offense is predictable and never puts up even an NFL average as far as points go, at some point we need to help our defense by not going 3 and out.

GTripp0012 · 09-13-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

GTripp, you always rip the defense, and in this particular game, I agree to a point. However, the offense is predictable and never puts up even an NFL average as far as points go, at some point we need to help our defense by not going 3 and out.

I'm not very tolerable of bad defenses especially when you spend as much money and draft picks as we spent on this one.

This thread is called 'Defense = Disappointment' though, so my defensive thoughts are going here. And you can't argue with the fact that our defense didn't play well enough to win today. The offense might have been just as disappointing, but it was a lot better today.

Again, we'll discuss that in another thread.

Hog1 · 09-13-2009, 09:42 PM

Was that the .......West Coast Defense???

DynamiteRave · 09-13-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

Was that the .......West Coast Defense???

Hopefully they leave this defense in the back of the playbook from now on.

SBXVII · 09-13-2009, 09:45 PM

Lets see, we have "Offense=Disappointment," and "Defense=Disappointment."

Where's the "Special Teams=Disappointment," and "HC=Disappointment."?

CultBrennan59 · 09-13-2009, 09:47 PM

We will be bringing in a veteran corner at some time this year...and probably derrick brooks too and move orakpo to phillip daniels DE spot. I just know this, because we will keep getting beat by average WR's with Sh*tty CB's. Our defense however was NOT the reason we lost this game. It was without question JC.

Lotus · 09-13-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

We will be bringing in a veteran corner at some time this year...and probably derrick brooks too and move orakpo to phillip daniels DE spot. I just know this, because we will keep getting beat by average WR's with Sh*tty CB's. Our defense however was NOT the reason we lost this game. It was without question JC.

Huh?

JC had two bad plays: the fumble and the interception. I won't argue with those.

Otherwise he completed more than 70% of his passes for a ypa greater than 7. He moved well, found the open guy, and delivered accurate strikes. And he did it all with an invisible running game.

I don't see how someone can say that JC lost the game.

CultBrennan59 · 09-13-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

Huh?

JC had two bad plays: the fumble and the interception. I won't argue with those.

Otherwise he completed more than 70% of his passes for a ypa greater than 7. He moved well, found the open guy, and delivered accurate strikes. And he did it all with an invisible running game.

I don't see how someone can say that JC lost the game.

O, Gee, what happend again when jason fumbled. Oh yeah thats right, Osi ran it for a touchdown. Let's say that doesn't happen, then the score would be 17-16 Redskins. Campbell runs, throws the football 4 yards past the line of scrimmage...FOR A INT. Let's say that doesn't happen, then we could of had mabe a field goal, or would have pinned them deep in their end of the field. Score could have been 20-16 Us had neither of those of happend, or one of those it could have been 17-16. Jason played way tooo stupid today. Quit backing him up, we get it you like him, but he played awful today. Should have run it on some QB draws more..Next week he better rebound..

Lotus · 09-13-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

O, Gee, what happend again when jason fumbled. Oh yeah thats right, Osi ran it for a touchdown. Let's say that doesn't happen, then the score would be 17-16 Redskins. Campbell runs, throws the football 4 yards past the line of scrimmage...FOR A INT. Let's say that doesn't happen, then we could of had mabe a field goal, or would have pinned them deep in their end of the field. Score could have been 20-16 Us had neither of those of happend, or one of those it could have been 17-16. Jason played way tooo stupid today. Quit backing him up, we get it you like him, but he played awful today. Should have run it on some QB draws more..Next week he better rebound..

I never said I liked JC. I criticized him for his mistakes. But I criticized him reasonably.

Hitting 73% of your passes with a ypa above 7 is neither stupid nor awful.

GTripp0012 · 09-13-2009, 09:53 PM

We had ~300 yards of total offense. They had over 350. Maybe, in the alternate dimension you live in where the defense is never responsible for losses, and always responsible for wins, that can be debateable, but here, it's probably made the difference in a 7 point game.

Not to excuse two turnovers, but despite what last year might have led us to believe, those things actually occur in football games.

RedBar · 09-13-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We had ~300 yards of total offense. They had over 350. Maybe, in the alternate dimension you live in where the defense is never responsible for losses, and always responsible for wins, that can be debateable, but here, it's probably made the difference in a 7 point game.

Not to excuse two turnovers, but despite what last year might have led us to believe, those things actually occur in football games.

How many of those yards came on our last drive against a soft defense and how many of those yards resulted in points? Defense looked bad offense looked bad also, this one stunk and it was a team effort. However, I consider the source.

mooby · 09-13-2009, 10:36 PM

For me I felt like the defense didn't get off the field on third downs enough. That and shoddy tackling along with poor pass rushing led to the Giants moving the ball comfortably down the field all day. Those are the things we need to work on if we plan on being a great defense again. Also where was that Haynesworth-Orakpo duo? Orakpo didn't show up and Haynesworth had his solo moments. I thought that pass rushing combo (along with Carter being freed up on the other side) was supposed to be great?

As for the Campbell fumble that Osi returned for a touchdown, well it all could've been avoided if Campbell just stepped up in the pocked sooner. Samuels didn't do that bad of a job on Osi it's just Campbell didn't step up and Osi extended those long arms and got a hand on the ball. The pass protection on that play wasn't bad Campbell just needs to step up in the pocket sooner.

budw38 · 09-13-2009, 10:39 PM

Our offense has looked like a high school teams for the better part of the last 10 years . I thought that the Defense was a huge dissapointment today , I felt NY could have scored all day if they wanted , remember , they have ZERO veterans at WR/TE with any real experience . Luckily for us , LAMS are next ..... we better win 27-10 .

T.O.Killa · 09-13-2009, 10:42 PM

Who was playing SAM when Orakpo was playing DE

CultBrennan59 · 09-13-2009, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Who was playing SAM when Orakpo was playing DE

I think reid doughty would be the extra defender we'd bring in and philip daniels would come off the field and orakpo would go to DE

09-13-2009, 09:41 PM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Defense = Disappointment GTripp, you always rip the defense, and in this particular game, I agree to a point. However, the offense is predictable and never puts up even an NFL average as far as points go, at some point we need to help our defense by not going 3 and out. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

09-13-2009, 09:42 PM	#3
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Defense = Disappointment Was that the .......West Coast Defense??? __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

09-13-2009, 09:45 PM	#5
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Defense = Disappointment Lets see, we have "Offense=Disappointment," and "Defense=Disappointment." Where's the "Special Teams=Disappointment," and "HC=Disappointment."?

09-13-2009, 09:47 PM	#6
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Defense = Disappointment We will be bringing in a veteran corner at some time this year...and probably derrick brooks too and move orakpo to phillip daniels DE spot. I just know this, because we will keep getting beat by average WR's with Sh*tty CB's. Our defense however was NOT the reason we lost this game. It was without question JC.

09-13-2009, 09:53 PM	#10
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 37 Posts: 15,994	Re: Defense = Disappointment We had ~300 yards of total offense. They had over 350. Maybe, in the alternate dimension you live in where the defense is never responsible for losses, and always responsible for wins, that can be debateable, but here, it's probably made the difference in a 7 point game. Not to excuse two turnovers, but despite what last year might have led us to believe, those things actually occur in football games. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

09-13-2009, 10:36 PM	#12
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,577	Re: Defense = Disappointment For me I felt like the defense didn't get off the field on third downs enough. That and shoddy tackling along with poor pass rushing led to the Giants moving the ball comfortably down the field all day. Those are the things we need to work on if we plan on being a great defense again. Also where was that Haynesworth-Orakpo duo? Orakpo didn't show up and Haynesworth had his solo moments. I thought that pass rushing combo (along with Carter being freed up on the other side) was supposed to be great? As for the Campbell fumble that Osi returned for a touchdown, well it all could've been avoided if Campbell just stepped up in the pocked sooner. Samuels didn't do that bad of a job on Osi it's just Campbell didn't step up and Osi extended those long arms and got a hand on the ball. The pass protection on that play wasn't bad Campbell just needs to step up in the pocket sooner.

09-13-2009, 10:39 PM	#13
budw38 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern,Va. Posts: 2,706	Re: Defense = Disappointment Our offense has looked like a high school teams for the better part of the last 10 years . I thought that the Defense was a huge dissapointment today , I felt NY could have scored all day if they wanted , remember , they have ZERO veterans at WR/TE with any real experience . Luckily for us , LAMS are next ..... we better win 27-10 .

09-13-2009, 10:42 PM	#14
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 2,061	Re: Defense = Disappointment Who was playing SAM when Orakpo was playing DE

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