play calling???

[Paintrain]

Listening to the replay of the Zorn show on 980 (ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now) earlier today, yikes.

At the 2:53 mark he said, 'We were down 17 points, I wasn't panicking, I was running our plan... I could have abandoned the run and threw the ball but I felt we were in the game, totally'. What game was he at?

At the 3:50 mark when pressed on the pass/run balance in light of the score he said, 'On the sideline I'm looking for what runs are good.. I'm trying to establish we can be a running team, I'm looking for balance.' This speaks to his stubbornness and lack of game awareness. You've got to adjust and adapt to the situation.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Listening to the replay of the Zorn show on 980 (ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now) earlier today, yikes.

At the 2:53 mark he said, 'We were down 17 points, I wasn't panicking, I was running our plan... I could have abandoned the run and threw the ball but I felt we were in the game, totally'. What game was he at?

At the 3:50 mark when pressed on the pass/run balance in light of the score he said, 'On the sideline I'm looking for what runs are good.. I'm trying to establish we can be a running team, I'm looking for balance.' This speaks to his stubbornness and lack of game awareness. You've got to adjust and adapt to the situation.

I wonder if we didn't get the huge run from Portis on the first offensive play, if Zorn would have realized the run wasn't going to be there. I feel like Zorn, much like saden suggested, spent the rest of the game trying to figure out how he could get Portis into the secondary again, instead of figuring out how to get the ball in the end zone as quickly as possible.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I wonder if we didn't get the huge run from Portis on the first offensive play, if Zorn would have realized the run wasn't going to be there. I feel like Zorn, much like saden suggested, spent the rest of the game trying to figure out how he could get Portis into the secondary again, instead of figuring out how to get the ball in the end zone as quickly as possible.

Exactly! It was like finding a $20 somewhere on the street and you keep walking down that street, even if it's out of the way, hoping to find another $20.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Listening to the replay of the Zorn show on 980 (ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now) earlier today, yikes.

At the 2:53 mark he said, 'We were down 17 points, I wasn't panicking, I was running our plan... I could have abandoned the run and threw the ball but I felt we were in the game, totally'. What game was he at?

At the 3:50 mark when pressed on the pass/run balance in light of the score he said, 'On the sideline I'm looking for what runs are good.. I'm trying to establish we can be a running team, I'm looking for balance.' This speaks to his stubbornness and lack of game awareness. You've got to adjust and adapt to the situation.

does zorn realize that you do whatever you need to do to score points? sometimes that means you have imbalance in your play calling. run or pass. he's such an idiot. he needs to be a qb coach and not a head coach/offensive coordinator.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Wow...

CP lost a step? Man, that guy exploded through that hole. You guys need to see it again, because he didn't look slow to me. It looked like to me you had one guy diving after him after he shot through the hole, and the 2 DB's made a better angle to knock him out of bounds.

After watching it a few more times, I get the same feeling. When he hits the hole there's a momentary burst, then no "second level". Maybe we're all spoiled watching Adrian Peterson, I don't know -- but every time I watch the clip I keep thinking "he's going to break this and score!" and then he looks like he's out of gas and gets tackled at the end.

I'm fully willing to say it's just perception, as I said, it's just how he looked to me.

Originally Posted by Bucket

All you people looking ot point a finger at why we lost on Sunday need to get over it. We were not going to go 16-0 this year, and we are prolly not going to go even 11-5. We are going to lose, and usually the losing team looks the worse out of the 2 teams. We just happen to be that team this week, and in all honesty.. I didn't think the game was that bad. We lost by 6 points against a team that won the SB 2 years ago?

That wasn't fingerpointing. If anything I was pointing out how much we overrely on CP to win games and what toll that may be taking on him.

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I wonder if we didn't get the huge run from Portis on the first offensive play, if Zorn would have realized the run wasn't going to be there. I feel like Zorn, much like saden suggested, spent the rest of the game trying to figure out how he could get Portis into the secondary again, instead of figuring out how to get the ball in the end zone as quickly as possible.

I could not agree more, Zorn is in over his head.....with shackles.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

Oh and I think he was number one in first downs among running backs last year...

and last with long runs

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by dgack

I'm a big CP fan, and there's no doubt that he's as tough as they come. That said, dude looked SLOW on Sunday. Even on that first big run, I thought "man, he looks like he's really lumbering on this gain". I don't know how much of that is due to him being tight, not really in game shape, age, or what -- but I think he's probably lost a half of a step, maybe more.

The stats are impressive but the one you're forgetting is the number of touches and attempts it took CP to rack up those yards last year -- 342 carries! Only Peterson and Turner had more last season and those guys have significantly fewer miles on them than CP does. In 2007 he led all running backs in attempts. In 2005, he was 4th.

We run the *hell* out of Portis, and that does not come without a price.

I agree completely,IMO Portis time has come and gone.His speed his gone and so is his elusiveness,any time he trys to put on a move he slips.Hes great in pass protection but it wouldnt bother me a bit to have him set on the bench a game and see what the other backs can do.
That long run he had to start the game was all off line,that hole was fricking huge and half the backs in the league would have ran it that far and the other half would have probably scored.Portis best run is still the very first run he had with the skins and its been downhill since.Yes hes had good games and good seasons,but I was expecting the explosive back I saw in Denver,and the only time Ive seen that was on his first carry

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I agree completely,IMO Portis time has come and gone.His speed his gone and so is his elusiveness,any time he trys to put on a move he slips.Hes great in pass protection but it wouldnt bother me a bit to have him set on the bench a game and see what the other backs can do.
That long run he had to start the game was all off line,that hole was fricking huge and half the backs in the league would have ran it that far and the other half would have probably scored.Portis best run is still the very first run he had with the skins and its been downhill since.Yes hes had good games and good seasons,but I was expecting the explosive back I saw in Denver,and the only time Ive seen that was on his first carry

I don't know that his time has come and gone. He's just morphed. Now he is a power back, no longer a speed back.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I don't know that his time has come and gone. He's just morphed. Now he is a power back, no longer a speed back.

I can agree with that

[dmvskinzfan08]

I read an article. I hope I can find it again. If I can I will post it. But said Portis ran a 4.3 like a year ago. Remember the race in OTAs between him and Landry? You think Landry is slow? They were neck to neck. Portis is only 28. he became a power back because of Gibbs. That's when he put on that weight. I think that is what happened. As far as long runs. people usually stack the box against us so that we can't run as effectively. Saying that CP still had the most first downs in the league. That is not a small thing. It could be the difference in winning games. Which was evident in the last 8 games. He was much of our success in the first hal of the season last year. Clinton is second in yards among active rushers behind only LT. AD doesn't have enough attempts to be put on the list yet. But he will be there also soon. LT CP AD. I think are the 3 best backs in the league (not in the specific order). Long runs are good and we all would love for him to break one or have a scat back that can break one. But this goes back to the arguement that was going on in the off season about which backs should stay or go. Think about it for a second...

Jacobs/Ward - NY
Barber/Jones - Dallas
White/Johnson - Tenn


Portis is faster than Jacobs, Barber and White in my opinion. But he also has power. He is a better all around back than them. But as far as that second guy. Betts is not that good and I wont even go to the 3rd strong RBs on these teams

Giants ran 3 backs last year. Jacobs, Bradshaw & Ward.

We saw three from this yesterady. With Jacobs, Ward & Ware. We probably would have saw three even if Ware didn't get hurt. Dallas has Barber, Jones and Choice. Ill end the convo here..

[dmvskinzfan08]

I am going to throw this out there also.

Both Eli and JC. Had a interception and a fumble and a similar passer rating.

Granted JC's int was returned for a TD. But both fumble were similar. They both got swiped.

We played bad as a team and still was in the game "mathmatically". But when the Giants have one of the most dominant D-lines in the league and we can't get a three and out when we need one from our D -- that is more telling than JC's mistakes. NOt to mention the stupid penalities on defense.

We will be much improve next week. But we must come out on fire and have some passion. If not we can lose to STL too.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by dgack

I'm a big CP fan, and there's no doubt that he's as tough as they come. That said, dude looked SLOW on Sunday. Even on that first big run, I thought "man, he looks like he's really lumbering on this gain". I don't know how much of that is due to him being tight, not really in game shape, age, or what -- but I think he's probably lost a half of a step, maybe more.

The stats are impressive but the one you're forgetting is the number of touches and attempts it took CP to rack up those yards last year -- 342 carries! Only Peterson and Turner had more last season and those guys have significantly fewer miles on them than CP does. In 2007 he led all running backs in attempts. In 2005, he was 4th.

We run the *hell* out of Portis, and that does not come without a price.

Well CP has banged up ribs. Next of all our O line is average at best. Not addressing the O line during the Turner/Marty era killed Stephen Davis, who was a killer back b efore he got totally banged up. I am afraid the same thing is happening to CP. Samuels was young when we had Davis, now he is an old vet.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Now thats funny.

F**KING hilarious

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Lotus

As in, "I like to dipshit in my fondue"? "I work at the dip cage at the zoo and have to clean up dipshit all day"? Yeah, it is a strange word.

Also a compound word yeah i paid attention in Language Arts class