Portis and Cooley Calling Out an Offensive Teammate?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Ya know your 100% correct. I'm almost missing Norv Turner at this point. He atleast got us to the play offs frequently. It's a crying shame when I'm starting to think that way.

You and I must have different definitions of "frequently"

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

So twice that you can think of.....



And now count the times he's pulled off a great catch and run?

How did you feel after the Brunell to Moss 4th Quarter comeback in 2005 or were you a Patriots fan back then?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

So twice that you can think of.....



And now count the times he's pulled off a great catch and run?

How did you feel after the Brunell to Moss 4th Quarter comeback in 2005 or were you a Patriots fan back then?

Your love for Motorhead is well founded. Your love for Moss isn't.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Well, the fumble/TD was obviously campbells fault. I understand how the comments could be taken generally - Portis did say that they all made some mistakes. However, given the fact that Campbell played horribly and Moss is known to take plays off at times, kind of makes me think there are some specific players who are being called out. If thats the case, Kudos for Portis for actually displaying some tact and not publically throwing the guy(s) under the bus.

If its just an issue of guys taking plays off, this problem is easily correctable - the guys need to stop taking plays off. I'm personally hoping Campbell just had a bad game for whatever reason. He certainly looked better during the 1st 8 games last year than he did in this game - when his protection was better than its ever been in Washington. We have seen him play better before, so we know he can do it

What game was you watching he wasn't fantastic but horribly in my opinion is to strong of a word. I also don't think they were calling anyone person out i think they were talking about the team. You must be a JC hater.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

On the pick last week how could you tell he gave up on the play as JC was 3 yards down field before he threw the ball. Do you attend alott of games?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

That would confirm to me the quality of his character. I think Malcolm Kelly can do it. ARE is filling in nicely in the slot. From what I see that's where he should've been all along. Mitchell or Thomas are good enough for the other WR position.

Moss needs to man up. Off the field he seems like a cool cat. On the field is a different story. He makes good plays every once in awhile. I'll give him that. He's a great player. He doesn't always live up to his talent because of his mental weakness. I'd rather have a player who doesn't have his talent, a player who is reliable and doesn't hurt his team.

Come on Kelly has what 5 catches in the NFL and that show you keyy is ready to be a #1 WR.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Come on Kelly has what 5 catches in the NFL and that show you keyy is ready to be a #1 WR.

I'm not questioning Moss's ability, just his attitude. Someone has to step up. What if he goes down? Who takes his position?

[NYCSkin]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

Moss is the only receiver on this team that commands double teams...you bench him then Campbell would surely face more pressure as teams can just single cover the other WRs. The Giants double teamed him all day. Does he give up on routes--possibly. The bigger issue is that other than ARE and Cooley a bit...Kelly and Thomas could not get open on the Giants #3/#4/#5 corners (Ross and Dockery were hurt). So until these other receivers can beat single coverage let's not even get silly and talk about benching our only starting caliber receiver...

[SmootSmack]

In just one game, Cooley has already matched his TD total of all of 2008. Just one game!...so he can call out whoever he damn well pleases

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by ChickenMonkey

I agree totally, no one has called Santana out, and he often gives up on routes, and plays...He did that on the Capmbell pick and he did it last yr in a game.....Zorn needs to have the guts to bench him (I'd trade him for picks in 2010)

On the pick, both he and the corner were trying to toe tap the line as the ball was actually caught outside the plane of the playing field. The corner had the inside edge on a ball thrown slightly behind Moss as Moss was fighting the momentum carrying him out of bounds. On top of that, the QB was well past the yard marker.

Hard to accuse Moss of giving up on a route that had carried all but his toes out of bounds, thrown slightly behind him, and on which the QB had already gone beyond the line of scrimmage (how can you give up on a pass route when the play can no longer legally be considered a pass??). The pick was all Jason.

Sometimes you guys hate just to hate. I mean jeeez.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Your love for Motorhead is well founded. Your love for Moss isn't.

Motorhead are as wise as they are noisy.

Moss made my decade with those two catches against Dallas right after the famous 'Parcells is 73-0 when leading by 13 points or more in the 4th Quarter' comment from Al Michaels.

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[Chico23231]

Glad to hear somebody on the offense with some leadership skills and thinks they played like garbage last week. Dont hear it anywhere else. Glad to hear someone is not ok with the way they played and everyone is accountable. To hear Zorn talk about since the loss, sounds like he is ok with everything. We shall see this weekend.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You and I must have different definitions of "frequently"

Didn't look it up. I stand corrected, but even though we went only 1 time in 7 yrs it still seemed like the team did better then it has the last few yrs. Back then it seemed like we only needed on piece to the puzzle. We would get one piece and lose another. After last Sun. it just feels to me like we have deficiencies all over the place. It didn't look like an ok team taking advantage of our weak spot, they took advantage of our weak...spots.

I have always been the "it's ok we an fix this one thing, or we can fix that one thing, or don't worry we'll be great next yr cause all they need is a QB or something like that. I know it's only one game. I understand I should not panick, and I'm not. What I am, is tired of hearing how close we are when were not. I'll say again that if this team turns out an 8-8 season or less, I would not have any bad feeling about DS letting everyone go. Any one from staff to players. Keep the young players get rid of all the players close to 30y/o. Bring in a bunch of no names for half the cost and drop the ticket prices and hope for the same results or better. Atleast we would have a young team, healthy team, and less costly team.

They say you get what you pay for. The fans have been paying, Snyder is paying and we keep getting the same shitty results. The fans are paying with their ticket prices and parking and DS is paying the players for Mercades and all we keep getting is volkswagon. If we are going to get volkswagon quality then we might as well pay for a volkswagon cause for the last 10+ yrs we have not been getting the Mercades Benz we have been paying for.

I still think their pay should be performance based. The team does well they get paid full price, they lose it drops a %. If they make a mistake during the game they lose another % of their salary. Who would judge it I'm not sure but maybe if the players had something to lose or gain by studing and not making mistakes then maybe they would try harder. Study harder.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

That would confirm to me the quality of his character. I think Malcolm Kelly can do it. ARE is filling in nicely in the slot. From what I see that's where he should've been all along. Mitchell or Thomas are good enough for the other WR position.

Moss needs to man up. Off the field he seems like a cool cat. On the field is a different story. He makes good plays every once in awhile. I'll give him that. He's a great player. He doesn't always live up to his talent because of his mental weakness. I'd rather have a player who doesn't have his talent, a player who is reliable and doesn't hurt his team.

Please! elaborate on "mental weakness" when it comes to Moss, exactly what is that?

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Please! elaborate on "mental weakness" when it comes to Moss, exactly what is that?

He has zero ability to turn lead into gold using only his mind or even teleport small muffins across the table at meetings.

Documented FACT!